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Hmmm...it seems that there are quite a few of Democrats who want career politicians replaced with younger blood, but it would be much better if they actually have another candidate in mind for her role of Speaker of the House.


'Never Nancy': Democrats ramp up efforts to sideline Pelosi, without offering an alternative
By Benjamin Siegel | Nov 14, 2018

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A band of House Democrats determined to oppose House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's speaker bid are planning to release a signed letter as soon as this week indicating that they have gathered enough support to deny her the 218 votes needed to win the gavel on the House floor in January, a move they say would complicate her path to a second term as speaker and force renewed discussion about her stepping aside.

"This is a simple letter saying we want new leadership, which is what a vast majority of Democrats and the American people want," Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., a member of the group, told reporters Tuesday.

Pelosi, who has said she's "100 percent confident" that she will be the next House speaker, has been working since last week on her bid, meeting and talking with new members and incumbent Democrats, to shore up support.

Prominent Democrats outside of Washington D.C. – from New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf, to former Sen. John Kerry and former Vice President Al Gore – have been making calls on her behalf, and influential House Democrats and activists have provided a steady drumbeat of public endorsements.

But Pelosi's critics argue that she has an increasingly apparent math problem. While she's expected to lock up the caucus speaker vote with a majority of members on Nov. 28, they're hoping to publicly release their letter before that vote to hammer their point home.

"It's time for a change," Rep. Filemon Vela, D-Texas, who is opposed to Pelosi, told ABC News. "It's time for new blood."

ABC News has identified at least 14 sitting Democrats and incoming members who have vowed to oppose Pelosi on the House floor.

Sources involved in the effort say that number has grown to at least 20 members, with many more incoming Democrats undecided. Pelosi can only afford to lose six votes – a number that could grow to 14 if Democrats win the eight House races yet to be called.

"The whole point of the letter is to accelerate this process so that it doesn’t spill out onto the floor. She’s the one that is driving this to a floor vote. We want to make it clear before it comes to that that she should step aside," Moulton said.

Pelosi's allies say the California Democrat – a veteran of countless leadership battles and whipping efforts – is working methodically to line up the votes. Her team is listening to incoming members and sitting Democrats about their priorities and desired changes to rules governing the House floor, and believe there is still a path for her to reach 218 – or a majority of House members present and voting – on the House floor.

"I think she'll navigate it," Rep. Cheri Bustos, D-Ill., a rising star in the party who is running for a lower-level post, said Tuesday. "She's a smart woman."

One option her allies are exploring is tinkering with the threshold she needs to clinch the gavel: Pelosi can win on the floor with less than 218 votes if she can convince her critics not to vote, or vote "present," instead of for her or another candidate. They are also making the case to incoming members that voting against her in caucus but for her on the floor (in support of the caucus recommendation) will provide them with sufficient cover for their re-election races.

Pelosi's allies have also been quick to criticize the group vowing to block her as working to derail the will of the majority of House Democrats, and have ridiculed the group for not being able to find a candidate to challenge her for speaker head-on.

"If they’re foolish enough to sign their names to a letter when they don't have to, when they don’t know whether Pelosi is going to win or lose, and when they don’t even have a candidate to oppose her, then it doesn’t bode well for their leadership if they succeed," a Pelosi confidant told ABC News.

But Pelosi's critics say they don't need a candidate of their own to challenge her.

"There’s a very practical political reason why no one has come out. They don’t want to alienate Pelosi supporters. So it only makes sense from a political perspective that a new candidate steps up after it’s clear that she doesn’t have the votes," Moulton, who said he is not seeking to replace Pelosi, told reporters Tuesday.

Meanwhile, Pelosi's outreach continues. She's mixed and mingled with new members during their orientation in Washington, and has plans to meet with leaders of the Progressive Caucus and members of the Congressional Black Caucus late this week.

On Wednesday, the Democratic caucus will meet for the first time as a group since the Election Day victory, huddling in their meeting room in the basement of the Capitol with new members and tentative plans to discuss some of rule changes sought by Pelosi's critics.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nan...pelosi-offering-alternative/story?id=59180391
 
Showdown looms over Pelosi bid as 17 Democrats formally vow to vote 'no'
By Manu Raju and Ashley Killough, CNN | November 14, 2018

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Nancy Pelosi's bid to become speaker of the House is becoming more complicated, as 17 Democrats have now signed a letter saying they won't vote for her on the House floor, according to four sources with knowledge of the matter.

If these Democrats stick to this pledge, the California Democrat, who is currently the leader of her party in the House, may not have the votes to become speaker. In addition to the 17, five additional Democrats have pledged not to support her on the floor but have yet to sign the letter, one of the sources said.

The goal of the Pelosi critics is to force her out of the speaker's race by convincing her she does not have the votes to win. But Pelosi and her allies reject that notion and are confident of their chances, saying she will call their bluff on the floor.

Pelosi first needs to win a majority of the House Democrats to win the caucus nomination on November 28. Then, she needs to win a majority of House members who vote for a candidate -- likely 218 -- and can't afford to lose too many Democrats on the floor.

Democrats are poised to hold at least 227 seats in the new Congress compared to 200 for Republicans, with eight races still yet to be called by CNN.

What's unclear is who will run against Pelosi on the Democratic side. Ohio Reps. Marcia Fudge and Tim Ryan both have told CNN they are not ruling out a bid.

Drew Hammill, Pelosi's spokesman, projected confidence that she would get the votes.

"Leader Pelosi is very confident in her support among Members and Members-elect," Hammill said.

A senior Democratic aide said Pelosi would not be deterred.

"Members on the 'list' are all to the right of Pelosi," the aide emailed. "Pelosi will take this to the floor in January, so she will be calling their bluff."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/politics/pelosi-show-down-17-democrats/index.html
 
I heard a quote from her saying she's very good at what she does and can't help wonder if she's referring to her big titties.
 
Well, it would certainly give the other side a lot less to talk about.
 
Pelosi needs to go away. Schumer needs to go away.

Otherwise it's business as usual and you may as well hand Trump the 2020 election.
 
These young idiots raised on media will be just as easy to buy as the older establishment politicians, and maybe more so. It's a weird time. Younger people are being raised on media that has no older people doing anything smart or wise; they are being taught to throw away traditional wisdom; no shows have good parents; even no pop-music is made by actual adults etc... I just turned old enough to be president, really, but this youth movement in the left is a little concerning to me. I think the weakening of the West has been orchestrated.
 
These young idiots raised on media will be just as easy to buy as the older establishment politicians, and maybe more so. It's a weird time. Younger people are being raised on media that has no older people doing anything smart or wise; they are being taught to throw away traditional wisdom; no shows have good parents; even no pop-music is made by actual adults etc... I just turned old enough to be president, really, but this youth movement in the left is a little concerning to me. I think the weakening of the West has been orchestrated.
Now, you're really "Woke".
 
These young idiots raised on media will be just as easy to buy as the older establishment politicians, and maybe more so. It's a weird time. Younger people are being raised on media that has no older people doing anything smart or wise; they are being taught to throw away traditional wisdom; no shows have good parents; even no pop-music is made by actual adults etc... I just turned old enough to be president, really, but this youth movement in the left is a little concerning to me. I think the weakening of the West has been orchestrated.
Wait are they being raised by "media" or " shows with no good parents " or "pop music" ? You're all over the place man.
Your 35 years of wisdom is telling you that someone a few years younger than you is "throwing away traditional wisdom"?
What media and what shows and music should they listen to so that they may be woke?
 
You mean the party that ran on no real platform, also has no idea who should lead them, either?


Wow, who woulda thought.
 
anyone else..... theres your alternative
 
I have to say, I will be very surprised if she is replaced.

In fact, her being there to take the heat is important in the next several months as Dems try to pull together a field of candidates.

Hell, maybe they can even rail against her and pretend to be an outsider.
 
Good, there is slight hope for the current crop of Dems.
Pelosi is a career hack that does not need to be face of the party.
Both parties have this problem with old ass career politicians being the face. McConnell and Pelosi have pocketed millions in legal bribes and are responsible for this country being so fucked up.
Be glad when both are put out to pasture
 
Hell, maybe they can even rail against her and pretend to be an outsider.

Wow. Didn't think of it this way. Create your own whipping girl so that your candidate can look like a moderate and against the Dem corporate shilling that hurt Hillary
 
Good. Pelosi is essentially the Dem version of mitch McConnell.

A self serving career politician who serves her corporate overlords
 
Wait are they being raised by "media" or " shows with no good parents " or "pop music" ? You're all over the place man.
Your 35 years of wisdom is telling you that someone a few years younger than you is "throwing away traditional wisdom"?
What media and what shows and music should they listen to so that they may be woke?

There are none, really. For the fist 60 years of tv, 80% of shows showed a normal "dad" figure who wasn't an idiot.. Now none do.
 
Well, it would certainly give the other side a lot less to talk about.

Doubtful. Pelosi is pretty squeaky clean. That she was a person who is a Democrat is really all that underpinned the rabble rousing about her from the Republican base.
 
There are none, really. For the fist 60 years of tv, 80% of shows showed a normal "dad" figure who wasn't an idiot.. Now none do.
You mean like All in the family? Or happy days? Or maybe different strokes, or one day at a time? Schneider was awesome!
 
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