New Russian air-to-air missile has advantage in speed and reach

WizardLizard said:
I wouldn't care of Russia took over Europe tbh I'm a foreigner in my own country why then should I be patriotic and fight them?

Call me a traitor but since we've only had anti-White politicians in power who believe it's right to replace us with other people rather than encourage natural population growth then I don't see this a country worth fighting for anymore.
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Whats the population growth of "white russians"... exactly.
 
China is already developing their own very long range aa missile so I dont know why would they buy one from Russia.

Cuauhtemoc said:
Lol, what a click baity article. Fighters like the F-35 are LESS vulnerable to this kind of missile then any other fighter currently deployed excluding the F-22. It's stealth, even if stealth is not perfect it is usually much harder to detect and you need to be closer, so having a missile with the ability to hit things very far away is useless as you will be already in range for a medium range missile anyway.
These long range missiles are good on paper but they are more likely to miss if fired at the end of their envelope as radar signal will be weaker then. If you wait to get closer to get a better aim at your target then you're wasting its range anyway and you're carrying a much heavier weapon.
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These missiles are not meant to take out fighters but their support aircraft like tankers. These missiles burn to a very high altitude from where they glide down to the target, not a way to hit a target that has even the slightest capability to manoveur.
 
GhostZ06 said:
This is true, personally these seem to be better for bombers more then fighters. Other problem, i dont imagine the F35 radar is as powerful as the F14?
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The F35's APG81 can probably see just as far as the Tomcat ever could. It's smaller but FAR more advanced. Add NIFC-CA into the mix and the F35 can fire on airborne targets detected by the E2D (target data passed via datalink) using either its own AMRAAMs or by helping guide Navy SM6 missiles.
 
Boagrius said:
The F35's APG81 can probably see just as far as the Tomcat ever could. It's smaller but FAR more advanced. Add NIFC-CA into the mix and the F35 can fire on airborne targets detected by the E2D (target data passed via datalink) using either its own AMRAAMs or by helping guide Navy SM6 missiles.
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Arent they making a A2a verison of the SM6?
 
Videer said:
China is already developing their own very long range aa missile so I dont know why would they buy one from Russia.



These missiles are not meant to take out fighters but their support aircraft like tankers. These missiles burn to a very high altitude from where they glide down to the target, not a way to hit a target that has even the slightest capability to manoveur.
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seems like we need stealth verisons of the E2D and new frames for eyes in the sky
 
Rod1 said:
Whats the population growth of "white russians"... exactly.
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It is a -0.02% stack that with some of the other problems they have I can see a crisis happening in a couple of years.
 
GhostZ06 said:
seems like we need stealth verisons of the E2D and new frames for eyes in the sky
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Not much point in a stealthy AWACS since its job is to sit up at high altitude blasting high power radio waves in every direction all day.

US are reducing their reliance on AEW aircraft via data sharing, especially using 5th gen jets. When every jet can share what it sees with every other jet/ship/radar/sensor node you have a much more resilient ISR system. E2D is extremely capable in its role though.

Next to no chance of seeing an A2A SM6 missile. It's just too big and heavy to be practical.
 
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Boagrius said:
Not much point in a stealthy AWACS since its job is to sit up at high altitude blasting high power radio waves in every direction all day.

US are reducing their reliance on AEW aircraft via data sharing, especially using 5th gen jets. When every jet can share what it sees with every other jet/ship/radar/sensor node you have a much more resilient ISR system. E2D is extremely capable in its role though.

Next to no chance of seeing an A2A SM6 missile. It's just too big and heavy to be practical.
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Well i think E2d, at least the propeller frames could use a new update. A bit old, dont ya think my aussie friend? yeah i heard 6th generation and the new b21 will be none AEW reliant
 
I don't think the fact that E2D is prop driven matters all that much. They tend to operate behind a wall of CAP aircraft and Aegis vessels anyway. The sensor suite is much more important to the mission.

I take it AEW/AWACS aircraft will continue to be important for B21 and 6th gen fighters in the future, but widespread sensor data sharing can reduce the dependence on them. That way if an E2/E3/E7 does go down the whole force in the area won't immediately fall to pieces - the ISR network has redundancy built in.
 
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Boagrius said:
I don't think the fact that E2D is prop driven matters all that much. They tend to operate behind a wall of CAP aircraft and Aegis vessels anyway. The sensor suite is much more important to the mission.
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the props are great for time on station / loitering too
 
flashNsmash said:
the props are great for time on station / loitering too
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Yeah. It probably also comes down to what is most efficient off a carrier. Space, weight and fuel requirements would be much tighter than for a land based aircraft. CONOPS are totally different too.

E2D would actually be a really tough aircraft to kill because even long ranged missiles fired at it could be tracked and targeted by the carrier's escorting Aegis vessels. If even one of them has SPY6, SM6 and CEC (with the others) it would actually be insanely hard to get an R37/VLRAAM through the fleet defences.
 
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Boagrius said:
Yeah. It probably also comes down to what is most efficient off a carrier. Space, weight and fuel requirements would be much tighter than for a land based aircraft. CONOPS are totally different too.

E2D would actually be a really tough aircraft to kill because even long ranged missiles fired at it could be tracked and targeted by the carrier's escorting Aegis vessels. If even one of them has SPY6, SM6 and CEC (with the others) it would actually be insanely hard to get an R37/VLRAAM through the fleet defences.
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yeah i hear the new raytheon AMDR is a slick piece of work other than the electrical load
 
flashNsmash said:
yeah i hear the new raytheon AMDR is a slick piece of work other than the electrical load
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Yeah pretty much. Gigantic state of the art AESA = monster radar.

As for Su57. .. I'd say there are probably numerous issues just like there were with F22 and F35. Difference is probably lack of available funds to overcome them.

I will say though that the sig reduction measures and sensor integration have always struck me as a bit suspect... who knows.
 
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GhostZ06 said:
lmao how the fuck do you cancel mass production? What, so its in LRIP perminitally? Lol@ the j-20 being a 5th gen...yeahhh nooo
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i think they're done producing it, period. knowing the sovs they will keep the production line lukewarm
 
flashNsmash said:
i think they're done producing it, period. knowing the sovs they will keep the production line lukewarm
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those stupid ass, they need to finish it. How the fuck are they gonna produce the mig-41?
 
GhostZ06 said:
lmao how the fuck do you cancel mass production? What, so its in LRIP perminitally? Lol@ the j-20 being a 5th gen...yeahhh nooo
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Hard to say. I suspect it's just a cryptic way of delaying mass/higher rate production until the jet is more mature. I mean it doesn't even have the right engines yet...
 
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