North Korea Threatens to Scuddle Talks

[lfd0311]

You're a waste of time.

Because your argument was invalidated?

 

[lfd0311]

Dude. They already defected. Are you under the impression that you go to prison for not crying hard enough, but they are cool with defecting?

Are you not aware that they punish family members for statements defectors make against NK. Dude, stop accusing other people of living in a "fairy tale" because you are clueless. Nobody said they accept defection. Nice attempt at a strawman.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Reconciliation doesn't mean 2 Koreas become 1 Korea... A peace treaty and official end to all hostilities will suffice.

South Korea will never allow NK to rule them. I am positively sure most of the world would be against it and support SK's independence. Now whether Kim will ever give up power... who knows. not now but it could be way down the line once his people realize his government has been feeding them complete lies and see how well SK has been living comparatively to NK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reunification

 

[drstrangelov]

Either that, or they're feeling more confident now that they're a nuclear power.

The talks are likely to go nowhere because America won't concede on any of the demands they make, such as lifted sanctions, the reinstatement of foreign aid and of and the removal of US military presence from the Korean peninsula. Both sides will be asking for things the other considers entirely unreasonable.

They've been a nuclear power since the second Bush administration. Dumb as it sounds, having a foreign leader call their dictator a fat baby likely had more of an impact on all of this than anything else.

They might make progress, or they might not, either way, Trump followed a classic foreign policy playbook in dealing with the Koreans and it's been successful so far.

 

[ShadowRun]

there COULD be LOTS of progress going on. but if we're being super cynical.....theyve agreed to nothing tangible. all thats really happened so far is that kim went to the south and had his picture taken. he signed an agreement ending a war that no one was actually fighting. all symbolic...."take my picture, look at how reasonable i am."

Should of paid them 400 billion that would of sealed the deal

 

[VivaRevolution]

Are you not aware that they punish family members for statements defectors make against NK. Dude, stop accusing other people of living in a "fairy tale" because you are clueless. Nobody said they accept defection. Nice attempt at a strawman.

Some of them had already lost their family, some of them hide their identity for the interviews.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Should of paid them 400 billion that would of sealed the deal

but obama

but clinton

 

[jimbob27]

They've been a nuclear power since the second Bush administration. Dumb as it sounds, having a foreign leader call their dictator a fat baby likely had more of an impact on all of this than anything else.

They might make progress, or they might not, either way, Trump followed a classic foreign policy playbook in dealing with the Koreans and it's been successful so far.

Slinging shit might be new for western politicians, but North Korea released official statements calling former south Korea President Park Guen-Hye a prostitute, and Obama a monkey in a tropical forest. They also suggested that he go “live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the breadcrumbs thrown by spectators.”


The main factors here are the election of a sympathetic South Korean President, and the sanctions, which (hopefully) are at a high enough level to fuck up things the regime cares about.

Trump's insults and them feeling confident having deliverable nuclear weapons are possible factors, but nowhere near as influential as the sanctions or Moon Jae-in.

 

[kpt018]

They've been a nuclear power since the second Bush administration. Dumb as it sounds, having a foreign leader call their dictator a fat baby likely had more of an impact on all of this than anything else.

They might make progress, or they might not, either way, Trump followed a classic foreign policy playbook in dealing with the Koreans and it's been successful so far.

This is a very weird take. According to experts they may still not have a nuke (but certainly didn't have one during Bush's era), Trump broke with the historical American policy in that he agreed to meet with KJU (that's a big departure) and there really is no success so far (the meeting didn't even happen, and we don't know if it will be successful). That's strike three, by my count.

 

[drstrangelov]

This is a very weird take. According to experts they may still not have a nuke (but certainly didn't have one during Bush's era), Trump broke with the historical American policy in that he agreed to meet with KJU (that's a big departure) and there really is no success so far (the meeting didn't even happen, and we don't know if it will be successful). That's strike three, by my count.

The first Korean nuclear test took place in 2006.

The precedent going back all of 7 years? Departure yes, but it's being done on American terms or not done at all, that's all standard policy applied to a new government.

The success is in pushing Korea to the bargaining table, and dramatically reducing tensions on the peninsula that waivered during the Bush administration, but grew consistently more hostile during the Obama/KJU period.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Slinging shit might be new for western politicians, but North Korea released official statements calling former south Korea President Park Guen-Hye a prostitute, and Obama a monkey in a tropical forest. They also suggested that he go “live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the breadcrumbs thrown by spectators.”


The main factors here are the election of a sympathetic South Korean President, and the sanctions, which (hopefully) are at a high enough level to fuck up things the regime cares about.

Trump's insults and them feeling confident having deliverable nuclear weapons are possible factors, but nowhere near as influential as the sanctions or Moon Jae-in.

Yeah people keep ignoring that South Korea had a drastic change in regimes recently.

That along with them damaging their testing site seems like the most obvious reasons for Kims behavior leading up to this week.

 

[kpt018]

The first Korean nuclear test took place in 2006.

Testing does not make a country "a nuclear power" as you claimed, especially since it's public knowledge how many of these tests were utter failures. It's been reported that they've severely damaged their sites as well, perhaps beyond repair.

The precedent going back all of 7 years? Departure yes, but it's being done on American terms or not done at all, that's all standard policy applied to a new government.

Ok, so Trump is not following the book on NK policy as you originally said, right? You can agree or disagree if it's the right move but what you originally said was wrong. Meeting with KJU is a major departure from past presidents' policy there.

The success is in pushing Korea to the bargaining table, and dramatically reducing tensions on the peninsula that waivered during the Bush administration, but grew consistently more hostile during the Obama/KJU period.

Push? NK has been begging for a meeting with the US president for decades and Trump caved into that request, so that is a wrong way to frame it. Tensions seemed to have been reduced between NK and SK for now, but it is yet to be seen if that is lasting. Of course, things could get worse, stay the same, etc. but it's way too early to claim there has been success there.

That's kind of the point. Victory laps are really, REALLY uncalled for at this point.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I would rather the Korean Peninsula bathe in the glow of nuclear fire than for Trump to get his precious win.

Fucking idiot Trumpsters: please direct all your dumb shit comments about libs wanting negotiations to fall apart to me.

OK. Now what?

 

[ShinkanPo]

North Kowiea always threatens.

Threaten this threaten that.

Ain't no body got time for that!

 

[drstrangelov]

Testing does not make a country "a nuclear power" as you claimed, especially since it's public knowledge how many of these tests were utter failures. It's been reported that they've severely damaged their sites as well, perhaps beyond repair.



Ok, so Trump is not following the book on NK policy as you originally said, right? You can agree or disagree if it's the right move but what you originally said was wrong. Meeting with KJU is a major departure from past presidents' policy there.



Push? NK has been begging for a meeting with the US president for decades and Trump caved into that request, so that is a wrong way to frame it. Tensions seemed to have been reduced between NK and SK for now, but it is yet to be seen if that is lasting. Of course, things could get worse, stay the same, etc. but it's way too early to claim there has been success there.

That's kind of the point. Victory laps are really, REALLY uncalled for at this point.

Lol, you got caught not doing your homework and now you're trying to dig your way out of the hole. Nice attempt.

I never said at all that's Trump was following the book on NK policy, I said he was following "a classic foreign policy playbook", meaning responding to totalitarian governments solely with displays of strength. This was training material stuff for anyone from state interacting with the Soviet Union in the 80s. They found in Trump the perfect guy to execute this strategy, due to his pathological inability to accept blame or fault.

 

[kpt018]

Lol, you got caught not doing your homework and now you're trying to dig your way out of the hole. Nice attempt.

What the hell are you talking about?

I never said at all that's Trump was following the book on NK policy, I said he was following "a classic foreign policy playbook", meaning responding to totalitarian governments solely with displays of strength. This was training material stuff for anyone from state interacting with the Soviet Union in the 80s. They found in Trump the perfect guy to execute this strategy, due to his pathological inability to accept blame or fault.

But you're changing the issue now. And to respond to your last post, no, that was not a precedent for 7 years, a president meeting with the NK leader is unprecedented and that is what we are talking about. Now you're trying to spin it more broadly. We are talking about North Korea here, not a historical look at how the US handles foreign policy in general.

 

[Ophydian]

I love how conservative are so careless with South Korean lives.

 

[Fedorable]

I thought of the ultimate plot twist:

Spoiler

Trump reunites Korea. A united Korea conquers the world.

 

[InternetHero]

1. This happened right after a meeting with China's Xi. Not a coincidence, China is the biggest badguy in the room and most wants to have SK and the US halt operational practice in the region.

2. Naked bait & Switch is North Korean diplomacy 101.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

That was a quick honeymoon