Not racist white people or lazy black people (Between Obama and Coates: the plight of black America)

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I'm white and have excellent credit and references and I still can't get a home loan. The housing crisis is the biggest issue in Canada right now and it's only going to get worse as immigration continues to rapidly outpace our infrastructure.

It's especially enraging when you drive literally ten minutes East of my current rental and it's all just empty, undeveloped land for hundreds of kilometers in every other direction.

 

[superpunch]

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[Falsedawn]

Nah, it's just that black people don't study a lot in school and so they end up not as smart. Less smart = worse jobs = less money.

That's probably a result of it being illegal for them to read for a long time, and then it being illegal/ impossible for them to go to college and/ or work white collar jobs for a long time. Of course, it being illegal to be smart is going to create a culture that's stupid.

You raised my eyebrows a couple of times, and I think "black people don't study a lot" is a gross oversimplification, but i'll give you credit for that last sentence.

Add in that effective excommunication and exploitation from white society led to a fierce protective streak over that culture and I think you hit a very significant issue on the head.

 

[Trotsky]

I should've clarified, are black people voting against their interested siding with the traditional dems over the progressives -- I mean, Hillary got 70 percent of the over 30 black vote in the primaries and nearly 50 of the under 30 vote.

I dont expect most black people to vote R outside of the affluent

Yes, of course, but you can't expect tens of millions of people, most of whom are toward the lower end of the economic spectrum and who have comparably lower access to information than the rest of the country, to switch to a new candidate in one cycle after the other candidate (Clinton) has been cultivating influence in and over their communities for decades.

There really wasn't all that much thought in the way of agenda-setting by black leaders toward an explicit preference of Clinton over Sanders, except by actual DNC surrogates.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

If you read it and that was your response (that it had no purpose or internal logic), then it's your reading comprehension that is at fault.

But, let's be real, you didn't read it. You didn't spend 30 minute reading something just to say "meh, elitists."

Do you always fabricate stories when you feel uncomfortable with someone's responses?

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Intellectual discourse leads to greater knowledge through asking and discussing different questions.

Whether you are dealing with Anglo-Saxon empiricism or Central European "high theory" intellectualism, the best answers come from looking at different ideas.

Still not seeing what that had to do with my response.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Do you always fabricate stories when you feel uncomfortable with someone's responses?

Yes, he does. Then he gets mad and threatens to fight you IRL.

 

[InternetHero]

Still not seeing what that had to do with my response.

In that case disregard what I said , focus on what you really enjoy learning about in life, and be prosperous in every way.

 

[machidafan99]

I just can't take Coates seriously but he did make some money from his BS, I grant him that.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

In that case disregard what I said , focus on what you really enjoy learning about in life, and be prosperous in every way.

Thanks for the random advice.

 

[Black Helicopters]

The effects of the GI Bill on development of the white middle class can't be understated as well. It was basically a federal subsidization of the war time underclass that black people missed out on entirely. Compound that with the cumulative effects that lack of educational opportunities can put on a family, and it becomes pretty clear that there were going to be long reaching effects from that.

Black people didn’t miss out on it entirely. I looked it up on Wiki because I was pretty sure the GI Bill extended to all races and apparently the problem was that it was extremely limited in benefits because the majority of African Americans still lived in the south under Jim Crow. It’s sad to know a huge chunk of the “Greatest Generation” didn’t benefit as much as they should have (and while going through more hardship than just the Depression and WWII but also Jim Crow)

 

[skaleton]

I like the article. It’s a little harsh on Obama when he didn’t have the Congress on his side for most of his presidency but I agree that overall he wasn’t strongly on the side of labor. The Coates stuff is heavier on the identity politics which I don’t think does anyone any good. To make gains that will benefit the largest section of society you have to find a way to get them to vote in their interests as a block.

With tax policy benefiting larger corporations over small business owners I don’t see the wealth divide being fixed in the near future. Those with the wealth will continue to see it increase and those that make it to wealth from nothing will become fewer and farther between. A platform like sanders had that doesn’t emphasize helping one race over another or helping one gender over another is the best way to get a large block to realize that they have a shared interest. While wages between men, women, blacks, whites are 70 cents to the white mans dollar the laborer’s wage is a penny to the dollar fifty of the ceo. Just, unjust? It doesn’t matter. The battle between the laborers is the battle for the scraps.

The idea of giving tax incentives to mass corporations because they bring jobs is simply another form of trickle down economics. They also eat up small business opportunities that would provide jobs and ownership potential and never take over so much of the market that they can’t be competed with. I can see some benefit to mobilizing along racial lines because of ingrained senses of community but if all those racial communities can’t tie into a larger overall community to resist an actual threat to all of their wellbeing’s I see no way that the path we are on is reveresed. Divide and conquer is a real thing.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Lol you sound butthurt that I called you out on your consistent use of identity politics.

It appears like you see everything through the lense of race.

You wanna know how I know you didn't read the article?

 

[Islam Imamate]

So far I've only read the first part on Coates and I can't say I disagree. I'll read the rest later but so far its pretty good.

 

[Trotsky]

Do you always fabricate stories when you feel uncomfortable with someone's responses?

No.

But you didn't read shit. And I'm not uncomfortable saying that.

 

[nhbbear]

Sure, there are some valid points in there, but there is also some opinionated rhetoric as well

 

[Zankou]

A good article. The only thing I’d say is that in addition to noting the disproportionate effects that the collapse of the manufacturing sector has had on blacks, the impact of free labor immigration has been devastating ... particularly on black males. The economic/educational performance gap between black females and black males is astonishing, and in many respects attributable to the annihilation of economic opportunities for young black men, both by free trade and free labor.

Often these articles are so black/white and history-centered that they ignore how the actual modern American economy functions. It’s as though there are only two races in the country.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I highly suggest everyone read this recent (brilliant) article by Dr. Touré F. Reed on the economic conditions of black Americans.

Despite what right-wingers might insist, Barack Obama's position on racial stratification was pretty darn conservative, moralistic, and in-line with conservative white thought. In this article, Reed opines that it is neither black culture (Obama) nor white racism (Coates) that is the primary driver of racial inequality. It's economic policy history.

In the article, Dr. Reed outlines an extremely comprehensive and thoughtful history of economic policy making and its disparate impact on black Americans still reeling at the margins from slavery, economic exclusion, and legal discrimination of previous decades.

Here are some highlights.









https://catalyst-journal.com/vol1/no4/between-obama-and-coates

Perhaps someone like the media, should do a better job of explaining this, because Bernie was the candidate that would have helped the black community the most, but they voted hillary.

 

[12ga.]

Meh jews had half their population killed off in WW2 and are the richest Americans per capita today. Indians from india are #2. My parents came from mexico with $90 in their pocket in the early 70s and raised 7 in this country on a plasterers salary most are college grads. Not to mention what Europeans did to mexico - everyone was a slave who wasnt killed. I'm very liberal in that no one should do without but Mr Coats is a black supremacist wanting special rights and privileges for the disadvantaged which most black people certainly are. But so are most people in this age of neoliberalism. This wont fly. People wont pay for something they can't take advantage of. Until we get socialism -toughen up buttercup

 

[Deleted member 196663]

No.

But you didn't read shit. And I'm not uncomfortable saying that.

When an assumption turns into a certainty, you know you’ve fallen off the deep end. Measurably so.

You’re the type that will believe exactly what you want to believe, regardless of the evidence. Why? Because your “feelings” are certain it.