NY Post : "Trump is totally right about the dangers of Medicare for All"

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Trump is totally right about the dangers of Medicare for All

Sen. Bernie Sanders says that because Medicare is “the most popular, successful and cost-effective health insurance in the country” everyone should have it, regardless of age.

But watch out for the bait and switch. Truth is, Sanders’ Medicare for All legislation actually abolishes Medicare and Medicare Advantage, as well as employer-provided coverage, union plans and plans people buy for themselves. Every person will be forced into a mandatory, government-run system with the phony name “Medicare for All.” Whether you want it or not. The quality of your medical care will plummet.

Medicare for All will plunge hospitals into financial distress, exposing patients to dangerous medical shortages and forcing pay cuts on health care workers. New York hospitals and their workforce will get clobbered the worst.

But 16 Democratic senators, including New York’s Kirsten Gillibrand, and 123 Democrats in the House endorse the legislation. Have they actually read it?

President Trump warns that Sanders is “eliminating Medicare as a program for seniors.” He cautions that “hospitals would be put out of business,” patients will face “long wait lines” and seniors will “effectively be denied” care they need.

Sanders calls Trump a liar. Fortunately there’s a way to determine who’s telling the truth. The answer is in the 96 pages of Sanders’ bill. Here’s what it says.

Four years after Medicare for All begins, all private insurance will be banned (Sec. 107), and Medicare and other government health programs will be terminated, just as Trump said. Everyone, including illegal immigrants, will be enrolled in the new government program (Sec. 106). Newborns will be automatically enrolled at birth (Sec. 105).

On paper, the new program guarantees hospital care, doctors’ visits, even dental, vision and long-term care, all paid for by Uncle Sam. Here’s the hitch: Hospitals will be forced to operate under conditions of extreme scarcity, with too little revenue and more patients than ever.

Right now, Medicare shortchanges hospitals, paying them less than the full cost of caring for seniors. But hospitals accept the low payments, because they can shift the unmet costs to younger patients who have private insurance that pays more.

But in the new scheme, hospitals will be paid at Medicare rates for all their patients, not just seniors (Sec. 611). With everyone on Medicare for All, no cost-shifting will be possible. The rates will be 40 percent less than what hospitals could get from private insurance plans. The severe short-changing will throw hospitals into crisis. Meanwhile, demand for care will surge, because it’s free to all comers.

Hospitals will have to jam more beds into rooms and corridors, skimp on nursing care and make patients wait. Sounds like the austerity in the British National Health Service, only in Britain, the public has an escape hatch. They’re allowed to buy private coverage. Not under Sanders’ Medicare for All (Sec. 107). Those alternatives are banned. You’ll be trapped.

The gold-plated union health plan or Medicare Advantage Plan you used to have will be a distant memory, as you wait in crowded clinics alongside people who never paid into Medicare or earned on-the-job coverage.

In New York, the austerity will be magnified. Hospitals here have more debt and slimmer operating margins than elsewhere, making them less able to withstand cuts. Gary Fitzgerald of the Iroquois Healthcare Alliance warns that Sanders’ bill would “devastate upstate hospitals.”

Doctors will also be paid 30 percent less than private insurance would pay them. To keep their doors open, they’ll have to see more patients per hour. That’s bad news for seniors, who take up more time. Doctors will avoid them like the plague.

The Sanders bill is a labor fiasco in the making. A staggering 1.2 million New Yorkers work in health care, more than in retail or manufacturing or any other industry. When hospitals are paid less, health care workers will see layoffs and pay cuts, too.

Bottom line: Under Medicare for all, patients will suffer, seniors will be shunned, hospitals will fail and health care workers will lose. Who exactly is supposed to benefit, except the politicians?

https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/trump-is-totally-right-about-the-dangers-of-medicare-for-all/

I don't know what's more shocking....

That the Democrats believe this Medicare-for-All hare-brained scheme of Sanders OR the NY Post saying that Trump was RIGHT about something? <TheWire1>
 
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Yeah it's an op-ed by the NY Posts resident anti-government healthcare writer. It's not a startling revelation and she has written and published such stories with the Post before. It's her thing. She's got a book called Beating Obamacare.

So you're really hanging you hat on an op-ed piece?
 
the NY Post saying that Trump was RIGHT about something?
The NY post is a predominantly right-wing publication (technically a news tabloid). Gonna guess that you confused them with the New York Times or Washington Post.
 
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Every other major country has figured out a way to offer its citizens health care without people going broke from being sick.

America clearly isn’t great quite yet
 
The NY post is a predominantly right-wing publication. Gonna guess that you confused them with the New York Times or Washington Post.

No, there doesn't exist any right leaning media that's impossible.
 
The NY post is a predominantly right-wing publication. Gonna guess that you confused them with the New York Times or Washington Post.

sshhhhh these Trumpsters can never tell the difference... let them be blissfully unaware and think leftists are turning against healthcare for all...
 
sshhhhh these Trumpsters can never tell the difference... let them be blissfully unaware and think leftists are turning against healthcare for all...

ssshhhhhh I never thought nor do I believe the Democrats would ever turn against Medicare-for-all. They're THAT stupid.

And the Post has said many unflattering things about Trump in the past so excuse me for not believing Quipling's "assessment" of the paper.
I suppose next you both will tell me that the Daily News is a right-wing publication too. {<hhh]

( @waiguoren , care to comment? )

EDIT : Well....I think it's long overdue to check Quipling and SaiWa into my Ignore List hotel. Liberal clowns are only so funny...until they open their mouths. Buh-Bye. (god, I love not being able to see their garbage anymore!!)
 
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ssshhhhhh I never thought

That's the problem with you right wingers. You never do think, not sure if you are capable of thought. Now run off to your safe space sweet heart.
 
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thats bullshit, all nations that have universal healthcare also have a private option.

this is fear mongering bullshit
 
Every other major country has figured out a way to offer its citizens health care without people going broke from being sick.

America clearly isn’t great quite yet

Come back when you have a country that provides it that is not dealing with week/month long waiting lists thanks to shortages...in countries with 1/10th the population on top of it. I can be recommended to see a specialist by my primary and be in the see the specialist in the same week at times, cant do that anywhere else.

Oh and BTW, I am FOR Medicaid/Medicare.
 
Well....I think it's long overdue to check Quipling and SaiWa into my Ignore List hotel. Liberal clowns are only so funny...until they open their mouths. Buh-Bye. (god, I love not being able to see their garbage anymore!!)
Huh.


@waiguoren , I think that this fellow tried summoning you in an edit. Perhaps you can help him out.

While you're at it, see if you can ask him for his ignore list. I know that you have an interest in that sort of thing.
 
Come back when you have a country that provides it that is not dealing with week/month long waiting lists thanks to shortages...in countries with 1/10th the population on top of it. I can be recommended to see a specialist by my primary and be in the see the specialist in the same week at times, cant do that anywhere else.

Oh and BTW, I am FOR Medicaid/Medicare.

Stop it. My wife’s entire family is from Canada and they have none of these issues you speak of. There are still emergency rooms for people in dire need. We are America, we can do it better than any other country it’s that we choose not to

My point is why not have a type of Medicare for all as a safety net for people who do not have the means to purchase healthcare? If you have means and can afford better insurance then by all means buy it and go see your doctor right away and have your surgery right away
 
ssshhhhhh I never thought nor do I believe the Democrats would ever turn against Medicare-for-all. They're THAT stupid.

And the Post has said many unflattering things about Trump in the past so excuse me for not believing Quipling's "assessment" of the paper.
I suppose next you both will tell me that the Daily News is a right-wing publication too. {<hhh]

( @waiguoren , care to comment? )

EDIT : Well....I think it's long overdue to check Quipling and SaiWa into my Ignore List hotel. Liberal clowns are only so funny...until they open their mouths. Buh-Bye. (god, I love not being able to see their garbage anymore!!)

Add me to your ignore list snowflake. It’s a badge of honor
 
... If the legislation explicitly stated that it would ban private health insurance, how is it bullshit?

Rich folks would never go for it and neither would insurance companies. That would never happen, ever, ever, ever.

I have never seen people so against providing people health insurance as republicans. The party of family values and Jeebus
 
Yeah it's an op-ed by the NY Posts resident anti-government healthcare writer. It's not a startling revelation and she has written and published such stories with the Post before. It's her thing. She's got a book called Beating Obamacare.

So you're really hanging you hat on an op-ed piece?

Further, an op-ed in a paper that would cause you ass cancer if you tried to use it to wipe shit off, no less. Massive, unmitigated load of horse shit.
 
... If the legislation explicitly stated that it would ban private health insurance, how is it bullshit?
why would the legislation state it would be banned when every other nation that has universal healthcare havent banned it? Why would America suddenly take that idiotic precedent? You would lose almost all of your specialists to other nations that still have private healthcare as an option.

unless you think your representatives are fucking idiots, thats an unlikely scenario
 
Every other major country has figured out a way to offer its citizens health care without people going broke from being sick.

America clearly isn’t great quite yet
Maybe for you. Things are going very well for me. Some might even say it's great. Try not being too poor to pay your medical bills. Hehe.
 
Maybe for you. Things are going very well for me. Some might even say it's great. Try not being too poor to pay your medical bills. Hehe.

Idiot gonna idiot. You and I both know I do just fine. Your parents pay your bill I’m sure

I’m advocating for poor people like yourself, I would gladly pay thousands more per year so you could have health insurance
 
why would the legislation state it would be banned when every other nation that has universal healthcare havent banned it? Why would America suddenly take that idiotic precedent? You would lose almost all of your specialists to other nations that still have private healthcare as an option.

unless you think your representatives are fucking idiots, thats an unlikely scenario
The verbage in the proposal is publicly available. I'm not sure why you're acting shocked and disbelieving when you could just look it up.

The proposal would have banned private coverage that includes anything also covered by his universal plan AKA private coverage would be explicitly banned from competing with the universal coverage. You could only get private coverage for additional things not covered by the universal plan like orthodontics or whatever. You COULD NOT get better coverage to get higher quality care for anything that is covered by the bill. So yes, you are right the good, expensive doctors would practice elsewhere.

To respond to your last statements: I think Bernie is either a moron or a person completely devoid of integrity. Or maybe both
 

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