Obama called Libya a sh*t show....

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  1. The Diplomat

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    I actually think there's a semantic difference in calling a situation a shit show, and calling a country a shit hole.

    Atleast he admits it. But that *was* a colossal fuck up, and he has to own it. Not good.
     
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  2. Beastman09

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    Article is from over a year ago....

    OP is a clown
     
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    No if we conquered then there would be peace and the need for constant funding to raytheon would be eliminated.
     
  4. KILL KILL

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    Article dated March 2016. Come on man.
     
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    I don't see it like that. I also think the notion that Europe is dommed are not based in reality.
    If you compare Europe 2018 to any version of Europe, 2018 is by far the best.
    Crime might have gone up due to the migrants right now but other things are better compared to 10 years ago.

    And as a German if I compare it on a generational level. My dad lived in a divided Germany were a third was under communist rule.
    My Grandfathers fought in WW2. The generation before that had WW1. And before that they had to fight unification wars to have a Germany in the first place.
    Having a bunch of Muslims and Africans here that shouldnt be here is really nothing compared to that.

    While that is a problem that needs to be addressed. In 2018 we have more people of German blood than we ever had before.
    We never had more allies and fewer enemies. We have never lived in a more unified Europe.
    We have never been more educated, prosperous or healthy than in 2018. The Bolsheviks have been defeated.

    The 21st century is going to be the German century also a bit different than we imagined before it should probably be called the Unified European century.
    The Chinese won't survive the collapse of Communism. The American experiment has failed and the Japanese fell victim to misplaced nationalism.
    German-style social democracy has shown itself to be the superior system.

    Don't fall victim to the propaganda from Eurosceptic. Those Eurosceptics have been working against a unified Europe for almost 200 years.
    They are trying to divide Europe by claiming its dommed when in fact you could not point to a better time in Europe.
    All issues while serious are just a matter of policy.
     
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  6. ajccoming

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    So is it reasonable to say that the huge slave trade we see going on in Libya is a result of obama having Gaddafi taken out? Serious question....
     
  7. ShinkanPo

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    Butt time?
     
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    Thank goodness the Americans voted for Obama twice.
     
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    Really the only thing that needed to be posted in this asinine thread.
     
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    And naturally you don't see the difference between calling a political situation a shit show, and implying that immigrants are automatically bad people because they come from a country that is a shithole.

    People immigrate, not countries.
     
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  12. Bloodworth

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    Not but, if....if if if
     
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    "And naturally you don't see the difference between calling a political situation a shit show, and implying that immigrants are automatically bad people because they come from a country that is a shithole.

    People immigrate, not countries."
     
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    It was the UK and France that lead the way and within the Obama administration it was the likes of Gates and Clinton that pushed for the intervention. Not to mention there was actually regional support for the intervention initially so to blame it solely on Obama is myopic. Neither side in the Sunni and Shiite proxy war cared for Gaddafi because he was a radical asshole with beef with each side.
     
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    I think Kadaphi or Kazafi might be my favorite ones. I might try to get my named changed to Kadaphi/Kazafi-kun one of these days.
    Funny then that Libyans still decided to rise up against their dictator.
     
  16. MicroBrew

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    Obama is right.
    The UK and France were 2 of the parties really pushing for intervention. They pressured the US to bomb Assad. Obama didn't want to, but a president can only resist so much.
     
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    Not reluctant enough to not spread our bombing to Libya, Yemen, and Syria while increasing our drone strikes 10-fold. Not reluctant to spread special forces operations into another 40? countries. Not reluctant to classify all males of military age as “combatants”.

    Claiming to be a reluctant interventionist with that resume wouldn’t work in Nuremberg. If anything he was just less obnoxious than Bush & Co. that’s not saying a lot.
     
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    Poor POTUS. Bullied into another conflict by France.

    Remember how Obama wanted to go all in on Syria, but the UK decided to be democratic about and put it to a vote? So then Obama had to put it to a vote and didn’t get to go hard on Assad?
     
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  19. Cuauhtemoc

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    He also says as if Kadaphi had anything to do with it. Oil sales account for 80% of the GDP in that country, the rest is accounted by slavery and people smuggling.
    Anybody can lead a country to a mediocre standard of living when you have a small population atop massive deposits of oil.
    He was never able to develop the country at all, he did some irrigation work for an exorbitant amount of money and gave free gasoline to everybody to keep them happy.
    After his death, although the country is more violent and overall worse, the economy is similar as they keep selling oil, weapons and slaves.
    Actually, I think Libya is one of the few countries on earth that has not evolved in the last 2 centuries.
    Libya in the 1800s:
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    Libya in the 2000s:
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  20. Kafir-kun

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    Well in Kadaphi's defense I think he did improve Libya but as you said that's not all that hard when you have the ration of oil resources to population he did at his disposal so its not like that demonstrates his political genius or anything. And the system he created, while raising the standard of living and providing basic goods, was incredibly corrupt and convoluted in a way that made reform very difficult. Its not a system that could see smooth succession or democratic reforms or anything.

    Anti-imperialists like Kazafi because he was part of the anti-imperialist clique with the likes of Castro and Mandela but he was still a brutal and corrupt dictator. The weird thing is even some right wingers praise him, mainly because his overthrow was a big mistake on the part of the Obama administration even though he should represent so many things they hate.
     
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