Official Judo Thread VI

wtf is the point of getting a judo black belt if you can't do tachiwaza ... that's no better than just buying the belt and waiting for it to arrive in the mail while you relax drinking beers.

Zankou is the real MVP.
 
My standup isn't great but I've got a few throws that work. And technically I know most of them to demonstrate. I would have to work on my throws but my main objective would be to win in newaza. Newaza specialist do exist. I'm not really that bothered about belts, I haven't graded up for a few yrs. But I train regularly.
 
My standup isn't great but I've got a few throws that work. And technically I know most of them to demonstrate. I would have to work on my throws but my main objective would be to win in newaza. Newaza specialist do exist. I'm not really that bothered about belts, I haven't graded up for a few yrs. But I train regularly.

Newaza specialists exist but they usually have good tachiwaza too.
 
Also don't they require you to perform nage no kata to get promoted anyways?

I thought that too but we just had to go through the Gokyo in groups for our theory.

For a technical grading (not competitive) you have to do one set of kata or when you're going for 3rd dan and above up to 5th or 6th dan.

That's how it works in ours anyway.
 
wtf is the point of getting a judo black belt if you can't do tachiwaza ... that's no better than just buying the belt and waiting for it to arrive in the mail while you relax drinking beers.

I would say is about as legit as the guy that wins his belt with only tachiwaza.

If you can properly win with newaza only while avoiding getting thrown/penalized against similarly ranked individuals then kudos to you, as long as you have basic knowledge of the main judo throws.

Plus it's not so easy to try to win with pure newaza nowadays, at least in our area they will start calling penalties right away if you aren't aggressively attacking in shiai. They won't let you just stand around and look for the counter anymore. And good luck countering off being thrown ... very low percentage.

Also don't they require you to perform nage no kata to get promoted anyways?

Thats the reason its not a simple matter of learning BJJ and then trying to win your Judo BB, the newaza proficiency needs to be tailored for judo.
 
I would say is about as legit as the guy that wins his belt with only tachiwaza.

I also wouldn't give a black belt to a guy with no ground game, no matter how well he could throw.
 
I also wouldn't give a black belt to a guy with no ground game, no matter how well he could throw.

What if he won the Worlds and the Olympics scoring a throwing ippon every single match?

If no, what if he always threw to kesa and all he knew how to do was hold that pin?
 
What if he won the Worlds and the Olympics scoring a throwing ippon every single match?

If no, what if he always threw to kesa and all he knew how to do was hold that pin?

In that essentially impossible scenario, I would give him a black belt. Did you wander in here mistakenly from the heavies?

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My standup isn't great but I've got a few throws that work. And technically I know most of them to demonstrate. I would have to work on my throws but my main objective would be to win in newaza. Newaza specialist do exist. I'm not really that bothered about belts, I haven't graded up for a few yrs. But I train regularly.

For what its worth id say go for it, if you win it its your belt. Just be aware after the first match if you are that good on the ground, no one is going to engage with you, could be a frustrating day.
 
For what its worth id say go for it, if you win it its your belt. Just be aware after the first match if you are that good on the ground, no one is going to engage with you, could be a frustrating day.

Recently we had a BJJ purple enter a novice tournament, and while he did well, there was one guy who he did not finish on the ground despite all the drop and flop attempts.

So unless you are a total killer, you might find Judo rules newaza a bit different to adjust to.

We also had a BJJ brown belt, later black belt while training with us, enter a few Judo tournaments. In general he did well, but did not consistently win at black belt level either.

So yeah, go for it. If you earn it, you earn it.
 
Recently we had a BJJ purple enter a novice tournament, and while he did well, there was one guy who he did not finish on the ground despite all the drop and flop attempts.

So unless you are a total killer, you might find Judo rules newaza a bit different to adjust to.

We also had a BJJ brown belt, later black belt while training with us, enter a few Judo tournaments. In general he did well, but did not consistently win at black belt level either.

So yeah, go for it. If you earn it, you earn it.

I agree its not like BJJ dudes show up for comps/Olympics and clean up... or the other way around.

I do think they feed into each-other nicely and belts are a bit silly and arbitrary. If you want to compete compete until you get your ass kicked and that's your level.

If you want to teach, well teaching and competing are different beasts anyways.
 
Training with HW and superHW is not fun at all!
Injury after injury...
 
Training with HW and superHW is not fun at all!
Injury after injury...

I'm cutting weight I promise!

25 lbs done, I lost the baby sympathy weight (two years later) now if I can just loose the 'I got married' weight I'll be GTG!

I usually leave space with the lighter weights so I can work my passes when they recover guard in BJJ.

Judo...well...Uchimata > Tai Otoshi all day lol
 
Dont train underneath fatty, train on top of him.
 
What if he won the Worlds and the Olympics scoring a throwing ippon every single match?

If no, what if he always threw to kesa and all he knew how to do was hold that pin?
Shodan for me is not a measure of your absolute fighting ability, it is a measure of your all-round judo level. There is a level of technical knowledge and performance that is required, it is not sufficient to just win tournaments.

In Canada: There's a written terminology exam. You have to be prepared to demonstrate pretty much all the throws, holds, chokes and locks in the curriculum - they ask for a random subset. You have to demonstrate nage no kata. Finally you need an understanding of how to apply what you know. Locally if they know you through active competiton, good enough. If they don't, they ask to see some randori to assess your ability.
 
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