Official Judo Thread XI: Olympic Travesty Edition

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Zankou, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. Thrawn33

    Thrawn33 JUST BLEED Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    16,869
    Likes Received:
    5,851
    The only part that doesn't hurt.
    Sankyus wear green at this club (I'm still rocking the nikyu brown) and those boys put a target on my back in randori (all of them 18-25)
     
  2. Thycidides

    Thycidides Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    805
    Likes Received:
    165
    Any tips on how to get the most out of randori with a bjj guy that is older (40+ but relatively new to judo), heavier and just kind of stalls using grips except for the odd counter?

    The size difference and my own lack of skill means I'm probably not gonna throw this dude. But he's to hesitant to really attack me. He's passive in bjj too, but will never concede positon.
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2018
  3. BJ@LW&WW

    BJ@LW&WW Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    20,574
    Likes Received:
    4,947
    Location:
    LA
    maybe use him to work on your grip fighting. fight like hell to avoid him getting grips he is comfortable stalling from
     
    Thrawn33 likes this.
  4. Thrawn33

    Thrawn33 JUST BLEED Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    16,869
    Likes Received:
    5,851
    This.

    Get your grip first and move, keep the initiative and your (faster) pace
     
  5. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,261
    Likes Received:
    1,692
    Location:
    Armbar, Iowa
    you seriously just need to spend like 3-6 months only doing seoi nage. morote or ippon, whatever feels comfortable. it's a nice throw because it's one you can force, but one that still relies on proper mechanics and position. there's a reason it's the first throw you learn. i totally get wanting to improve and wanting guidance and shit like that, but seriously dude, just go do nothing but seoi nage. drill the fuck out of it. as you start to 'get' it, the rest of your judo should come together.
     
  6. Thrawn33

    Thrawn33 JUST BLEED Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    16,869
    Likes Received:
    5,851
    If he's a jitz guy who hunches over with hips back, work on an overhand russian sumigaeshi/Taniotoshi series combo.

    That was money for me on my first day at BJJ, threw the Brown Belt assistant coach (and got smoked on the ground, with no mercy....and that's how I loved my club)
     
  7. Thycidides

    Thycidides Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    805
    Likes Received:
    165
    I actually did try a sacrifice throw and it didnt work too well. My timing was off and he landed on top.

    I have been drilling seoi nage. I realized it was going to take a long to get half decent at it but that's ok. I have felt some improvement compared to last year.

    I'm more frustrated by passive training partners than anything. I sometimes wonder if I should say something.
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2018
  8. QingTian

    QingTian Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2003
    Messages:
    2,309
    Likes Received:
    174
    Defensive partners are unfortunately next to useless. Normally I wouldn't advise it for learning but you may just have to do lots of grip fighting and advantageous grips just so things can get moving again. Doing things the traditional way would be very hard at this stage.
     
    RJ Green likes this.
  9. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,261
    Likes Received:
    1,692
    Location:
    Armbar, Iowa
    whaaaa? kid got the banhammer?
     
  10. A Muse of Fire

    A Muse of Fire Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2011
    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    8
    Location:
    VA
    I accidentally opened this account and now the other doesnt work.
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2018
  11. JagRoss

    JagRoss Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2013
    Messages:
    236
    Likes Received:
    88
    Morote feels very uncomfortable for me, I have long arms and when I bring the elbow across I feel a lot of discomfort in my shoulder/elbow/wrist.

    Especially on shorter people.
     
  12. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,261
    Likes Received:
    1,692
    Location:
    Armbar, Iowa
    me too, i totally cheat and just baseball grip. long-ass gaijin arms weren't made for orthodox morote.
     
  13. Pickers

    Pickers White Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2004
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    10
    IJF President Marius Vizer is hosting a live Twitter Q&A on Wednesday 11 July at 3pm UK/4pm Budapest time. Use #AskVizer to join in.
     

    Attached Files:

  14. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,261
    Likes Received:
    1,692
    Location:
    Armbar, Iowa
    Marius Vizer can go fuck himself.
     
    Thrawn33 likes this.
  15. Thrawn33

    Thrawn33 JUST BLEED Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    16,869
    Likes Received:
    5,851
    Fuck the IJF
     
  16. Bluesbreaker

    Bluesbreaker Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    4,821
    Likes Received:
    914
    #AskVizer Hey cockface, when are leg grabs coming back?
     
  17. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,261
    Likes Received:
    1,692
    Location:
    Armbar, Iowa
  18. MadSquabbles500

    MadSquabbles500 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2011
    Messages:
    24,337
    Likes Received:
    9,311
    Location:
    New Jersey now Queens
    I assume the end tech means what the uchi-komi is. As in, for example with osoto gari, when you do the upper body lifting motion, step in with the reap without making contact, and going down the length of the mat with your partner.

    If that action from the uchi komi is not enough kuzushi, then what are ways to make kuzushi before going into throw? If its just get opponent moving, then I assume the options are jacket tug-o-war, pushing contests, herky jerky, or the spinaroo ( Like the game we played as kids, in which you try and spin the other kid around your center line. You can actually get people to fall like that if you spin then fast enough)
     
  19. QingTian

    QingTian Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2003
    Messages:
    2,309
    Likes Received:
    174
    This is really the meat of Judo (and as I'm learning now, wrestling too), and can't easily be answered in a post. Nor do I feel like I know enough to speak comprehensively for all the ways you could make kuzushi.

    But there are plenty of videos available where various champions demonstrating how they enter their throws. It could be simple like a push, or really creative like Lee Won Hee's left tai otoshi which takes advantage of uke wanting to hold the sleeve grip.
     

Share This Page