What happened with that man who killed the guy in the parking lot? He was giving some guy's wife crap, so the guy pushed him down, and the man sat up and shot him. To me, that's a blatant murder. I don't know how that one turned out though.
Arrested for murder.
SYG isn't carte blanche.
Do you know of any cases where SYG was needed because self defense alone wouldn't have sufficed?
Great. More pussies can pick fights and when they are getting their ass kicked pull out their gun and stand their ground like a real man.
Or perhaps he is supposed to defend himself via fisticuffs?
Laws aren't consistent from state to state. For example, here in Hawaii I'm pretty sure I have to try to run away or something if attacked in public. What SYG does is eliminate the need to prove you couldn't get away by eliminating it as a prerequisite to legally defending yourself with lethal force. Outside the home, of course. Castle law addresses home defense. So take any case in a SYG jurisdiction and if the shooter maybe could have possibly got away they might have been up on charges without the legal protection.
Mostly the specific cases we discuss around here that come to mind where someone claimed SYG the shooter was brought up on charges.
Do you go around shoving people to the ground?
Yeah I've heard of this "duty to flee" discussed here but I've never heard or seen a real life example of it.
That's why I was asking if you know of any specific real life examples.
I'm not really against SYG I just think it's kind of meaningless legislation used for virtue signaling to the pro gun crowd.
Granted, I tend to only tune into the controversial cases. The cut & dried shit doesn't draw the same headlines. But going back to Hawaii as an example, it was only recently they affirmed castle doctrine (i.e. being able to defend your home without having to make an attempt to retreat). So SYG is about the same thing, except for applying to situations out in public. In that regard I don't think it's meaningless at all. It takes a fuckton of guesswork out of it when a jury doesn't have to decide if so-and-so did everything they could to get away before resorting to lethal force. One less moving piece. With SYG you can then just focus on the severity of the threat to determine if lethal self-defense was justified.
The thing I don't by is that people have an obligation to make an attempt to retreat without Castle Doctrine or SYG.
So I was looking for examples where somebody was convicted based on that obligation or at least prosecuted based on that standard.
(5) The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section if:
(a) The actor, with the intent of causing death or serious bodily injury, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or
(b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that:
(i) The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and
(ii) A public officer justified in using force in the performance of his duties, or a person justified in using force in his assistance or a person justified in using force in making an arrest or preventing an escape, is not obliged to desist from efforts to perform his duty, effect the arrest, or prevent the escape because of resistance or threatened resistance by or on behalf of the person against whom the action is directed.
I've read up on this case and I hope Florida gets this right and the individual spends a good amount of time in jail. This was outright murder and the people who work at the store said the guy was always causing trouble with other patronsThis is the story I was referring to. It was supposed to go to court this October, but I can't find any updates. This man should be locked up for the rest of his life for murder.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prosecutors-disagreed/?utm_term=.21f982ddf476
This type of thing is infuriating for me to watch. It's a cold blooded murder committed by a complete coward. If he somehow stays out of jail, the law is absolute garbage.