On Social Democratic Capitalism: how do we stave off the regressive resposive policies of capital?

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Franklin Delano Roosevelt is said to have remarked toward the end of his life that he had "saved capitalism" in eight days. He did this by drastically empowering workers, protecting consumers, and raising taxes and thus reallocating the country burden of revenue onto the upper echelon of the country's earners. In doing so, he ushered in the greatest economy the world had ever known and reformed capitalism's image as being, instead of a brutal and unfair ideology for the exploiter, instead a kind and just system that allowed for economic growth for all while ensuring basic upward mobility for the lowest among us. In an age when communists and socialists were gaining momentum domestically and internationally in the wake of unprecedented gains in living standards in Eastern Europe and the burgeoning prospect of "modernization in one generation" in state-capitalist Russia, the transformation was not a moment too-soon.

However, what he didn't do is transform or meaningfully confront ownership of resources - of the means and modes of production of wealth. So, after a few decades of "liberal consensus" with the term "liberal" being paradigmatically redefined, the owners of capital came back with a vengeance. While the Republican Party had been compromised to social democracy during the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower, actual ideological conservatives, no matter how universally rejected (by both laypeople and Keynes-era economists) their ideology, struck back at the first sign of economic stagnation. During the presidencies of Nixon, Carter, and most of all Reagan they capitalized on reactionary politics and short-term economics to radically redistribute wealth upward and consolidate political consensus around policies that were inarguably against the interests of the average voter. Thus, the current political-economic climate was established, where the interests of capital (that is, the owners of capital) would stave off even the most obvious and common-sense solutions that would threaten their market share - the most obvious being universal healthcare, which had/has taken hold in every other developed country and proven itself to be more effective and cost-effective.

And economic stagnation has proven itself, through the elections of George W. Bush and Donald J. Dumb, to not be a prequisite. In reality, any source of disagreement is enough for capital to, through reactionary politics, disrupt policy making in its own favor. So, in terms of even promoting pragmatic, let alone populist or progressive, policies, it increasingly seems to be a matter of one-step-forward and two-steps-back. Even with the most modest and modestly pragmatic populist policies of Barack Obama - a capitalist through and through - capital was able to foment enough faux-outrage to elect a complete moron who would then institute policies taking the country and economy many steps back toward Locknerian policy that is against the interest of the American people.


So, with this forum's most intelligent posters across the spectrum - @Jack V Savage, @TheComebackKid and many more - all ultimately landing on the social democratic spectrum (I think @Greoric is the only semi-serious poster here who advocates for pure capitalism)......what is the way forward that isn't doomed to backslide? Is there a point when meaningful abridging of the market and of private ownership - through compulsory worker organization, nationalization of key industries, fundamental regulation (and, inherently, politicization) of wealth - becomes necessary?

ast week, CNN host Chris Cuomo asked self-described democratic-socialist congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez how exactly she planned to pay for ambitious social programs like “Medicare for All, college tuition, maybe even housing.” She answered:

Why is it that our pockets are only empty when it comes to education and healthcare for our kids? Why are pockets only empty when we talk about 100 percent renewable energy that is going to save this planet and allow our children to thrive? We only have empty pockets when it comes to the morally right things to do, but when it comes to tax cuts for billionaires and when it comes to unlimited war, we seem to be able to invent that money very easily.

Her comment hit the nail on the head. Society already has the wealth and resources we need to provide a decent standard of living for everyone. And the vast majority of the population is responsible for the creation of that wealth through work. The problem is one of distribution: resources are concentrated in the hands of a few economic elites, instead of being shared among the workers whose labor created it.

To solve this problem, we need a new way of distributing wealth altogether. We need to replace the way resources are currently owned and transferred with a whole new system — a socialist system.

When I say wealth is concentrated, I mean concentrated. A new reportfrom the Economic Policy Institute surveyed CEOs of the 350 largest US corporations and found that their average compensation in 2017 was $18.9 million, constituting a nearly 18 percent percent increase over the previous year. The average CEO-to-worker compensation ratio was 312-to-1. That’s right, CEOs at major US firms make over three hundred times what the typical worker does.

Furthermore, the top earners have pulled away from the rest of the rich. The CEOs surveyed made more than five times as much annually as other members of the top 0.1 percent. In sum, the report portrays of a breakaway section of the capitalist class whose wealth eclipses even that of their affluent peers.

Meanwhile American workers’ pay stagnates, the cost of living skyrockets, and the dwindling social safety net functions less as the guaranteed foundation of a good life than as a public subsidy for capitalists who refuse to pay their workers a living wage. Bernie Sanders described the situation in an appearance on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert earlier this week:

The greed at the top is really unbelievable. Right now, you have three people with more wealth than the bottom 50 percent of people. You’ve got the top one-tenth of 1 percent owning more wealth than the bottom 90 pecent. You’ve got one guy, Jeff Bezos of Amazon, his wealth is increasing every single day by $250 million, but he pays many of his workers wages that are so low than many of them are on food stamps or on Medicaid.

People are waking up to the absurdity of this state of affairs. In fact, less than half of millennials now report positive feelings about capitalism, preferring socialism instead.

But why let all this runaway inequality color our view of capitalism writ large? Why not, as Elizabeth Warren has attempted with her new bill proposed this week called the Accountable Capitalism Act, merely rein in the excesses of capitalism — to save capitalism from itself?

Well, because the distribution pattern we see now is no accident. It’s what capitalism trends toward, even when we try our best to contain it.

“The distinctive and dominant characteristic of the capitalist market is not opportunity or choice,” wrote Marxist political economist Ellen Meiksins Wood, “but, on the contrary, compulsion” — in particular, the compulsion to compete on the market. To survive, workers are compelled to compete with other workers to sell their labor on the open market, prompting a race to the bottom.

Meanwhile, in order for their enterprises to stay afloat and to keep from becoming workers themselves (a stressful prospect under capitalism), bosses are forced to compete with other bosses to maximize profit, which requires them to squeeze as much labor from workers for as little cost as possible, while also pressuring the state to deregulate industry, cut taxes, and so on.

This compulsion builds inequality into the system and sets capitalism on the road to excess from the start.

Warren’s bill, as explained in Vox, aims to “prioritize workers in the American economic system while leaving businesses as the primary driver of it.” But you can never actually prioritize workers when social relations are premised on the idea that in order to eat, most people must sell their work for a price set by capitalists, and then those capitalists get to keep all the value produced by that labor in excess of wages and other overhead — what we call profits — as a reward for owning the business. That setup prioritizes bosses by nature, and leaves workers fighting over scraps.

You can make some serious headway regulating the capitalist system. And regulations are a good thing — in fact, placing strict limits on existing corporations’ ability to profit will be an intermediate step in any serious socialist plan to replace private ownership with public control. But if you don’t take seriously the prospect that capitalism has got to go, those regulations will be perpetually imperiled.

Notice that at the nadir of economic inequality in this country, in the mid-1960s, the CEO-to-worker earnings ratio was still 20-to-1. That’s still highly unequal. And the wealth bosses were accruing during that period still made them much more powerful than workers. Indeed, they were sufficiently empowered to wage an all-out neoliberal assault on taxes, regulations, and the public sector in the late twentieth century, which lined their pockets and led to the inequality we see today.

The takeaway is that if we don’t fundamentally alter the wayproduction is set up, the capitalist class will always capture the state and claw its way back to dominance, and the majority of people will always get a raw deal.

Saving capitalism is a heavy lift, and an end to inequality and class conflict under capitalism is structurally impossible. So, if we’re going to invest in an ambitious political project, we’re better off setting our sights on a horizon beyond capitalism and on a new economic order, one that’s oriented around public well-being instead of private profits.

Socialism is the name of that alternative economic order. And at its core, it involves recognizing that the resources for a beautiful and fair world already exist thanks to the labor of millions of workers — and that those resources should be spent enriching the lives of the many instead of the elite few.
 
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Great, really important and informative reading on the subject:

These days, as austerity sweeps the advanced capitalist world and welfare states lie in tatters, it’s easy to romanticize post–World War II social democracy. The epoch of strong unions, regulated markets, and rising wages seems like a golden age compared to our current era of plutocratic capitalism.

Yet the sepia tones can distort our vision. The European social-democratic parties were populated with leaders who had reconciled themselves to capitalism and a US-dominated global order. When business mobilized against their reform agenda, they quickly scampered back to safe ground, unable to call in a rank-and-file they’d long since sworn off. Their congenital unwillingness to pursue policies that would threaten “business confidence” ultimately prepared the ground for neoliberalism’s rise.

Ralph Miliband and Marcel Liebman were keen observers of these dynamics. Writing in 1985, when the Reaganite and Thatcherite projects were still unfinished, the socialist scholars chronicled social democracy’s history of deficiencies for a landmark edition of Socialist Register. Without denigrating the reforms social-democratic parties had been able to win — or downplaying the challenges any left politics faces — the two made the case instead for a “revolutionary reformism.”

While portions of “Beyond Social Democracy” are unavoidably outdated, their essay, reprinted in full below, is a corrective to blinkered memories of social democracy — and a sketch of the kind of socialist politics we need today......


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/social-democracy-socialism-ralph-miliband
 
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I have gone back and forth with him for a while. He really isn't

Hah... so you know his crazy theories about the moon light being cold and potentially harmfull?


Troskie could trolling us here lol. Trolskie.
 
People need to understand that men are men, whether they concentrate power in the form of a corporation or an state the result is the same.

Market forces cant simply denied through education, they are inherent in our usage of finite resources, the reason why capital gains power isnt any different from how third world dictators amass power, they use their power and influence to twist the game towards their own benefit.

The solution is a strong democratization of society along with strength and independence of institutions, the USA being such a global superpower while at the same time being in the grip of supercapitalists kinda slows things down as global cooperations becomes harder without checks and balances.
 
Did you just call @TheComebackKid intelligent?????

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Franklin Delano Roosevelt is said to have remarked toward the end of his life that he had "saved capitalism" in eight days. He did this by drastically empowering workers, protecting consumers, and raising taxes and thus reallocating the country burden of revenue onto the upper echelon of the country's earners. In doing so, he ushered in the greatest economy the world had ever known and reformed capitalism's image as being, instead of a brutal and unfair ideology for the exploiter, instead a kind and just system that allowed for economic growth for all while ensuring basic upward mobility for the lowest among us. In an age when communists and socialists were gaining momentum domestically and internationally in the wake of unprecedented gains in living standards in Eastern Europe and the burgeoning prospect of "modernization in one generation" in state-capitalist Russia, the transformation was not a moment too-soon.

However, what he didn't do is transform or meaningfully confront ownership of resources - of the means and modes of production of wealth. So, after a few decades of "liberal consensus" with the term "liberal" being paradigmatically redefined, the owners of capital came back with a vengeance. While the Republican Party had been compromised to social democracy during the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower, actual ideological conservatives, no matter how universally rejected (by both laypeople and Keynes-era economists) their ideology, struck back at the first sign of economic stagnation. During the presidencies of Nixon, Carter, and most of all Reagan they capitalized on reactionary politics and short-term economics to radically redistribute wealth upward and consolidate political consensus around policies that were inarguably against the interests of the average voter. Thus, the current political-economic climate was established, where the interests of capital (that is, the owners of capital) would stave off even the most obvious and common-sense solutions that would threaten their market share - the most obvious being universal healthcare, which had/has taken hold in every other developed country and proven itself to be more effective and cost-effective.

And economic stagnation has proven itself, through the elections of George W. Bush and Donald J. Dumb, to not be a prequisite. In reality, any source of disagreement is enough for capital to, through reactionary politics, disrupt policy making in its own favor. So, in terms of even promoting pragmatic, let alone populist or progressive, policies, it increasingly seems to be a matter of one-step-forward and two-steps-back. Even with the most modest and modestly pragmatic populist policies of Barack Obama - a capitalist through and through - capital was able to foment enough faux-outrage to elect a complete moron who would then institute policies taking the country and economy many steps back toward Locknerian policy that is against the interest of the American people.


So, with this forum's most intelligent posters across the spectrum - @Jack V Savage, @TheComebackKid and many more - all ultimately landing on the social democratic spectrum (I think @Greoric is the only semi-serious poster here who advocates for pure capitalism)......what is the way forward that isn't doomed to backslide? Is there a point when meaningful abridging of the market and of private ownership - through compulsory worker organization, nationalization of key industries, fundamental regulation (and, inherently, politicization) of wealth - becomes necessary?

This is why I have embraced wave politics. FDR accomplished what he did on a populous wave tsunami.
 
This is why I have embraced wave politics. FDR accomplished what he did on a populous wave tsunami.

But so did Reagan and Trump. Good policy and policy that benefits the many, does not come by incident: it comes by concerted effort.
 
Franklin Delano Roosevelt is said to have remarked toward the end of his life that he had "saved capitalism" in eight days. He did this by drastically empowering workers, protecting consumers, and raising taxes and thus reallocating the country burden of revenue onto the upper echelon of the country's earners. In doing so, he ushered in the greatest economy the world had ever known and reformed capitalism's image as being, instead of a brutal and unfair ideology for the exploiter, instead a kind and just system that allowed for economic growth for all while ensuring basic upward mobility for the lowest among us. In an age when communists and socialists were gaining momentum domestically and internationally in the wake of unprecedented gains in living standards in Eastern Europe and the burgeoning prospect of "modernization in one generation" in state-capitalist Russia, the transformation was not a moment too-soon.

However, what he didn't do is transform or meaningfully confront ownership of resources - of the means and modes of production of wealth. So, after a few decades of "liberal consensus" with the term "liberal" being paradigmatically redefined, the owners of capital came back with a vengeance. While the Republican Party had been compromised to social democracy during the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower, actual ideological conservatives, no matter how universally rejected (by both laypeople and Keynes-era economists) their ideology, struck back at the first sign of economic stagnation. During the presidencies of Nixon, Carter, and most of all Reagan they capitalized on reactionary politics and short-term economics to radically redistribute wealth upward and consolidate political consensus around policies that were inarguably against the interests of the average voter. Thus, the current political-economic climate was established, where the interests of capital (that is, the owners of capital) would stave off even the most obvious and common-sense solutions that would threaten their market share - the most obvious being universal healthcare, which had/has taken hold in every other developed country and proven itself to be more effective and cost-effective.

And economic stagnation has proven itself, through the elections of George W. Bush and Donald J. Dumb, to not be a prequisite. In reality, any source of disagreement is enough for capital to, through reactionary politics, disrupt policy making in its own favor. So, in terms of even promoting pragmatic, let alone populist or progressive, policies, it increasingly seems to be a matter of one-step-forward and two-steps-back. Even with the most modest and modestly pragmatic populist policies of Barack Obama - a capitalist through and through - capital was able to foment enough faux-outrage to elect a complete moron who would then institute policies taking the country and economy many steps back toward Locknerian policy that is against the interest of the American people.


So, with this forum's most intelligent posters across the spectrum - @Jack V Savage, @TheComebackKid and many more - all ultimately landing on the social democratic spectrum (I think @Greoric is the only semi-serious poster here who advocates for pure capitalism)......what is the way forward that isn't doomed to backslide? Is there a point when meaningful abridging of the market and of private ownership - through compulsory worker organization, nationalization of key industries, fundamental regulation (and, inherently, politicization) of wealth - becomes necessary?
If everyone is entitled to above and beyond what the market says they deserve and that price is paid by entrepreneurs and investors, what will then be the incentive to risk all to invest and start businesses?

I hear Venezuela is nice this time of year. Purchase a one way ticket and live in paradise the rest of your life.
 
But so did Reagan and Trump. Good policy and policy that benefits the many, does not come by incident: it comes by concerted effort.

Reagan rode the wave of the oil glut into victory and still GWB had to raise taxes at the end of Reagan's years.

Trump doesnt counts, because Trump isnt running on an economic platform, he is running on a social one.
 
Of course he saved capitalism. It was he who signed the Federal Reserve Act. That will be the beginning of the end as far as future historians will be concerned. It was from this point on that an international cartel of banking families took control of out countries cash and credit. This power is so great, that most don't even discuss it, let alone understand this power.
 
Does an FDR even happen without The Great Depression? Do the majority of Americans support extreme policy change before things get dire, or does the situation need to be dire first?

I don't think there is a way forward that won't be susceptible to regression or a repeat of past events. With that said, the goal shouldn't be to keep it from happening but merely to limit its impact and hasten the recovery process.

One thing's for sure- as long as there are upper income tax cuts, there isn't even close to a serious effort in fixing the problem.
 
Of course he saved capitalism. It was he who signed the Federal Reserve Act. That will be the beginning of the end as far as future historians will be concerned. It was from this point on that an international cartel of banking families took control of out countries cash and credit. This power is so great, that most don't even discuss it, let alone understand this power.
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