Law Ontario Premier Doug Ford plans to overrides the Judiciary with Section 33

Doug Ford doesn’t deserve all the blame — he didn't create our mess of a democracy
Andrew Coyne | September 17, 2018

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The current mess in Ontario is not just the work of one man. It is the product of all that has conspired to concentrate so much power in one man, that he could make such a mess. It is the predictable consequence of a number of deep structural flaws in our democracy, each one malign in itself, but which together can bring the whole edifice tumbling down.

Consider: a man with a shady past and disgraceful record is able to seize control of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario without the support of even a plurality of its members, still less of the caucus he then presumes to lead (and whose careers he now controls). He wins a “majority” in the ensuing provincial election with 40 per cent of the vote, by means of which he proceeds to personally and unilaterally rewrite the election laws for an entirely different level of government — for besides subordinating party to leader and legislature to executive, we have also contrived to make municipal governments creatures of the province.

At no time has he mentioned any of this, in either the leadership race in which he finished second or the election campaign in which 60 per cent of the vote went to other parties.

He has no mandate from anyone, least of all the citizens affected. Yet because our system vests such extraordinary power in the office of one man, he can impose his will on cabinet, caucus, legislature, city and province, more or less by fiat.

Even the courts, the last line of defence against arbitrary rule, cannot stop him. For while we have passed a Charter of Rights, proclaiming our supposed belief in limited government, we have embedded within it a clause that allows governments to overrule those same limits. He invokes it, again imposing his will on cabinet, caucus etc, validating by fiat what he had earlier decreed by fiat.

And he does all this in the name of “democracy.”

This would be objectionable even if the legislation were rightly considered, urgently necessary, likely to succeed. It is none of these. It rests, rather, on a series of increasingly dubious propositions, supported less by evidence than assertion, not so much even asserted as assumed: that Toronto’s city council is “dysfunctional,” or more so than most elected bodies; that it is the job of the province, rather than the city’s voters, to “fix” it; that cutting the number of council wards in half is the required fix; that if it were, it must be done now, this instant, with an election under the old rules already under way; that so urgent is it that it be done now that nothing less than emergency legislation overriding the Charter is required.

There is no such emergency. No crisis would ensue if council were elected on the previous plan of 47 wards; neither would Toronto’s problems suddenly melt away if it were altered to the premier’s preferred 25. That an Ontario Superior Court judge found the premier’s plan in violation of the Constitution is doubtless inconvenient, but the laws do not exist to suit the convenience of our rulers.

Did the judge err in law? Then appeal it. There isn’t time? Yes there is: the province was before a higher court Tuesday asking for a stay of the judge’s decision, which would allow elections to proceed on the premier’s plan. There was no case for invoking the notwithstanding clause, even if you accept the need for this needless law, even if you accept as urgent what is manifestly nothing of the kind.

Does he have the power to do so? Of course. That does not make it right. Is it constitutional, part of the very Charter it overrides? Indeed. That does not make it legitimate. The Queen is part of the Constitution as well. No law can pass without her assent. But if she were to regularly refuse assent to laws there would be very little left of our democracy. The same applies to notwithstanding: though each use of it would be legal in itself, the effect of its repeated use would be to eviscerate the Charter. Once would be dangerous enough. But Ford has vowed to use it repeatedly, and beyond him lie other premiers, with other laws they would like to preserve from Charter scrutiny.

But again: the problem is not Ford, so much as the powers he has been given. It’s all very well for the people responsible for its inclusion, the surviving participants in the 1981 constitutional round, to protest that this was not what they had in mind: that the clause was meant to be used only in “exceptional situations,” as a “last resort.” But if they did not intend it to be used in such a loose fashion, they should not have drafted it so loosely; if they did not anticipate a Ford would one day come along, they should have. Leave a loaded gun lying around, somebody is bound to pick it up and use it.

What we have here is a case of constitutional cognitive dissonance. The whole premise of the Charter was that governments cannot be trusted with power: left unchecked, they will abuse it. And the whole premise of the notwithstanding clause was that they can be. It was not just likely that trust would one day be abused. It was all but inevitable. Or as the poet Valéry said, “power without abuse loses its charm.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/an...blame-he-didnt-create-our-mess-of-a-democracy
 
Another disgusting display from one of the Ford bros.
 
Yeah, this kind of display of respect for the rule of law is waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than coming to a legal settlement with a piece of shit dude we sent overseas to be tortured.

Trudeau should use this as an excuse to whip out his big ol' clause and push through the pipeline deal. And then BC can use it to block it. And then we can just spin the whole thing around and around and the only people happy will be the lawyers making bank.

Fuck Dong Ford.
 
This can be summed up easily with...HAHA!

Canada is a shitshow. Drug addict Mayor uses Soyboy leaders fathers undemocratic law.
 
City council is a clusterfuck. I work at city hall.
 
As much shit as I give my adopted homeland, how fucking adorable is it that raccoons figure into our poltical discourse?


Those little bastards are up to way more than we know. They somehow convinced our city leaders that they are not vernom and protected from getting exterminated when they infiltrate your house.
 
Doug Ford doesn’t deserve all the blame — he didn't create our mess of a democracy
Andrew Coyne | September 17, 2018

doug-ford-17.png

The current mess in Ontario is not just the work of one man. It is the product of all that has conspired to concentrate so much power in one man, that he could make such a mess. It is the predictable consequence of a number of deep structural flaws in our democracy, each one malign in itself, but which together can bring the whole edifice tumbling down.

Consider: a man with a shady past and disgraceful record is able to seize control of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario without the support of even a plurality of its members, still less of the caucus he then presumes to lead (and whose careers he now controls). He wins a “majority” in the ensuing provincial election with 40 per cent of the vote, by means of which he proceeds to personally and unilaterally rewrite the election laws for an entirely different level of government — for besides subordinating party to leader and legislature to executive, we have also contrived to make municipal governments creatures of the province.

At no time has he mentioned any of this, in either the leadership race in which he finished second or the election campaign in which 60 per cent of the vote went to other parties.

He has no mandate from anyone, least of all the citizens affected. Yet because our system vests such extraordinary power in the office of one man, he can impose his will on cabinet, caucus, legislature, city and province, more or less by fiat.

Even the courts, the last line of defence against arbitrary rule, cannot stop him. For while we have passed a Charter of Rights, proclaiming our supposed belief in limited government, we have embedded within it a clause that allows governments to overrule those same limits. He invokes it, again imposing his will on cabinet, caucus etc, validating by fiat what he had earlier decreed by fiat.

And he does all this in the name of “democracy.”

This would be objectionable even if the legislation were rightly considered, urgently necessary, likely to succeed. It is none of these. It rests, rather, on a series of increasingly dubious propositions, supported less by evidence than assertion, not so much even asserted as assumed: that Toronto’s city council is “dysfunctional,” or more so than most elected bodies; that it is the job of the province, rather than the city’s voters, to “fix” it; that cutting the number of council wards in half is the required fix; that if it were, it must be done now, this instant, with an election under the old rules already under way; that so urgent is it that it be done now that nothing less than emergency legislation overriding the Charter is required.

There is no such emergency. No crisis would ensue if council were elected on the previous plan of 47 wards; neither would Toronto’s problems suddenly melt away if it were altered to the premier’s preferred 25. That an Ontario Superior Court judge found the premier’s plan in violation of the Constitution is doubtless inconvenient, but the laws do not exist to suit the convenience of our rulers.

Did the judge err in law? Then appeal it. There isn’t time? Yes there is: the province was before a higher court Tuesday asking for a stay of the judge’s decision, which would allow elections to proceed on the premier’s plan. There was no case for invoking the notwithstanding clause, even if you accept the need for this needless law, even if you accept as urgent what is manifestly nothing of the kind.

Does he have the power to do so? Of course. That does not make it right. Is it constitutional, part of the very Charter it overrides? Indeed. That does not make it legitimate. The Queen is part of the Constitution as well. No law can pass without her assent. But if she were to regularly refuse assent to laws there would be very little left of our democracy. The same applies to notwithstanding: though each use of it would be legal in itself, the effect of its repeated use would be to eviscerate the Charter. Once would be dangerous enough. But Ford has vowed to use it repeatedly, and beyond him lie other premiers, with other laws they would like to preserve from Charter scrutiny.

But again: the problem is not Ford, so much as the powers he has been given. It’s all very well for the people responsible for its inclusion, the surviving participants in the 1981 constitutional round, to protest that this was not what they had in mind: that the clause was meant to be used only in “exceptional situations,” as a “last resort.” But if they did not intend it to be used in such a loose fashion, they should not have drafted it so loosely; if they did not anticipate a Ford would one day come along, they should have. Leave a loaded gun lying around, somebody is bound to pick it up and use it.

What we have here is a case of constitutional cognitive dissonance. The whole premise of the Charter was that governments cannot be trusted with power: left unchecked, they will abuse it. And the whole premise of the notwithstanding clause was that they can be. It was not just likely that trust would one day be abused. It was all but inevitable. Or as the poet Valéry said, “power without abuse loses its charm.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/an...blame-he-didnt-create-our-mess-of-a-democracy
That he is taking advantage of a bad law does not absolve him nor the people who voted him in of responsibility.

It's also worth noting the actions Ford is taking are themselves vulnerable to court challenge. I'd rather Ford just realize what he is doing is fundamentally wrong, but in the absence of that, there is hope yet this ridiculous and undemocratic situation can be resolved.
 
Those little bastards are up to way more than we know. They somehow convinced our city leaders that they are not vernom and protected from getting exterminated when they infiltrate your house.
Er, *vermin
HTH
 
If the voters recognize them as utterly useless, then surely they could be get rid of democratically?

If the issue went on the ballot like how it should, who would vote against it?


this latter argument really baffles me: a politician cannot do something they did not campaign on, if I understand it correctly.

Yet, we are totally fine with politicians doing the opposite of what they campaigned on.
 
Did they drug test this Ford before putting him in charge?

 
Canada deserves this. Toronto deserves this.
 
This is already worse than Wynne. Hope the Drug Ford voters are happy.
 
As an American I will say: this is none of my damn business.
 
this latter argument really baffles me: a politician cannot do something they did not campaign on, if I understand it correctly.

Yet, we are totally fine with politicians doing the opposite of what they campaigned on.

If he campaigned on it, the exact same process would be going on. He'd cut it, be challenged, and have to invoke this option anyways.

LOL @ Tory, the NDP, and Liberals claiming that they care about the "democratic" process. Does that mean they won't kick and scream when he does things that he did campaign on? Yeah right.
 
If he campaigned on it, the exact same process would be going on. He'd cut it, be challenged, and have to invoke this option anyways.

LOL @ Tory, the NDP, and Liberals claiming that they care about the "democratic" process. Does that mean they won't kick and scream when he does things that he did campaign on? Yeah right.
Ah, now where the fuck is @KONE when you need him to explain false equivalency?
 
Ah, now where the fuck is @KONE when you need him to explain false equivalency?

Meh. It's a desperate talking point and you know it. They don't give a flying fuck what he campaigned on. Every single move he makes, is gonna be met with the same resistance, regardless. There are countless issues politicians tackle, without having explicitly campaigned on them.

If the people don't like this particular move, they can vote him out in the next election.
 
Meh. It's a desperate talking point and you know it. They don't give a flying fuck what he campaigned on. Every single move he makes, is gonna be met with the same resistance, regardless. There are countless issues politicians tackle, without having explicitly campaigned on them.

If the people don't like this particular move, they can vote him out in the next election.
The primary issue of the use of the notwithstanding clause to proceed with this obviously undemocratic measure doesn't mean there can't be other issues with how he is handling this situation. This is a major change to a different level of government of the largest constituency in the province in the middle of an election campaign. It's a little different than a need to deal with an issue that may or may not have had enough significance to be part of the explicit campaign platform. #butIthinkyouknowthat
 
No politician ONLY deals with issues he campaigned on and should NEVER limit themselves to such. So lets remove that criticism.

I reserve all other comment until I have time to review the issue further but will say as a general principle shrinking the size of Toronto gov't (all gov'ts) is a very good thing. They are all typically bloated bureaucracies with only about 10% of the people doing all the work and the rest being filler. Would be great if he could force term limits on them as well.
 
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