Power Hungry UC Berkeley Cop takes all cash from a Hotdog Street Vendor's wallet. Right or Wrong?

[EL GOAT]

It's amusing to see Berkeley socialist hipsters getting all pissy over socialist laws. A good portion of those commie nutters don't even believe in private property or personal wealth.

Now suddenly they act like Libertarians when some poor sap gets shook down by Cops for not following community permit laws?

You obviously have never been to Berkeley and know nothing about the people...I swear, you people believe that all these people are coming here to become communist and not get some good job that pays good.....Damn you're delusional.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

The contents of the man's wallet offer up jack shit in terms of evidence. Don't we expect adults to carry some cash? Unless they also bagged up his wieners, buns, and grill, I'm calling bullshit.

 

[dembones22]

Does the guy selling hot dogs have a permit? Does the area where he was selling them require a permit?

No and no? Why on earth do you think my sympathies would lie with him? He's not a victim. He's a lawbreaker. Fuck your petition.

I think you are right. It's not fair to the other street venders that have permits.

However, you seem to very mad at this man for taking yer jerb.

EDIT: It's also bull shit that he steals the money from his wallet.

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[Kalitaur]

Lol at this legalized corruption

That is basically the problem; the potential for corruption is just too high given the way the law is currently written. The spirit of the law is directed toward enabling law enforcement agencies with the ability to potentially cripple criminal organizations by seizing assets and funds, which is good. The problem comes when those agencies start to view the law as an alternative method of funding for their departments.

John Oliver did a decent piece on civil forfeiture corruption a few years ago. I don't always agree with Oliver, but IMO when he stays away from politics on his show, it's actually not bad. I think my favorite part is where the Montgomery county PD used seized assets to buy Crown Royal and a margarita machine for their office party...



Regardless of how badly civil forfeiture laws need to be rewritten, the hot dog guy either didn't know he needed a permit (and now he definitely does), or he knew, gambled against not getting caught, and lost.

 

[EL GOAT]

That is basically the problem; the potential for corruption is just too high given the way the law is currently written. The spirit of the law is directed toward enabling law enforcement agencies with the ability to potentially cripple criminal organizations by seizing assets and funds, which is good. The problem comes when those agencies start to view the law as an alternative method of funding for their departments.

John Oliver did a decent piece on civil forfeiture corruption a few years ago. I don't always agree with Oliver, but IMO when he stays away from politics on his show, it's actually not bad. I think my favorite part is where the Montgomery county PD used seized assets to buy Crown Royal and a margarita machine for their office party...



Regardless of how badly civil forfeiture laws need to be rewritten, the hot dog guy either didn't know he needed a permit (and now he definitely does), or he knew, gambled against not getting caught, and lost.

WOW that's some #1 bullshit.

 

[Madmick]

What are you a restaurant owner? Who cares, vendor permits are retarded. If established businesses can't compete with a taco truck then maybe they shouldn't have been in business in the first place.

You're ignorant.

No, of course what you just said is crap. The sentiment is this: who cares about these lawbreakers if they can't abide by the laws and rules that are the same for everyone. They are not unjust. They are not racist. They are laws that have evolved based on a culture of business that has endured while becoming increasingly sophisticated and messy for centuries. They are the same for everyone.

If these criminals can't compete with restaurants playing by the same regulations and rules as the restaurant-owners, then maybe they shouldn't have their stands out at a UC Berkeley football game in the first place. Got your criminal assets seized? Whoops. Guess you shouldn't have been out there.

 

[Protectandserve]

Berkely should work on having their cops properly addressing riots and the Antifa bullshit.

I hate people who call and complain about this shit. Let the dude sell his damn hot dogs.

 

[spamking]

It makes sense...But the reality is that food places get a heads up of an inspection coming.

They didn't when I conducted them . . .

Why does this matter? because food places suddenly start cleaning and try to meet inspection code, when they have been shitty most of the time.


I understand it makes them more accountable and I understand the logic behind it...but it's not really that efficient when they have a heads up to clean.


I seen plenty of shitty places just start cleaning once they know inspection is coming...then once they pass it, they stop giving a shit lol...BTW Im not against permits.

Which is why notice was never given to them when I conducted an inspection. Totally defeats the purpose of doing one.

 

[spamking]

Well lets say he gets a license from his local health department they're going to inspect his hot dog cart one time and 99.9 percent of the time he'll pass. Then what? Are the health inspectors going to be there every time he sells a hot dog? It's not a fixed location he could take his hot dog cart and leave town if he wants. I mean it's a fuckin hot dog you can eat hot dogs raw they usually come pre cooked anyways is this guy making his own wieners ?

Of course an inspector isn't there 24/7. That's not the point. The point is as an inspector you want folks to do things the right way because it'll bring them more business. Word gets around about dirty, filthy vendors. Health Inspectors have nothing to do with that aspect of it though. We conduct the inspection and can issue the permit or not based on what we see at the time or based on complaints related to a business.

His equipment is going to get inspected that one time then it's all about the state taxing his ass with fees licensing permits taxes and whatever other bureaucratic bullshit they can come up with to get a cut of the profits. This is the same shit as the whole lemonade stand bs where they take down little girls lemonade stands because they are "unsafe" oh please just more fear mongering to defeat logic and reasoning. Were all going to die from lemonade and hotdogs!!!!

Totally not getting point . . . depending on the number of inspectors and businesses they very well could be inspected one/year and call it good. However, that's not always the case. You people would whine and complain about a filthy hot dog stand getting someone sick and wonder why nobody shut them down.

 

[spamking]

What are you a restaurant owner? Who cares, vendor permits are retarded. If established businesses can't compete with a taco truck then maybe they shouldn't have been in business in the first place.

Holy crap . . . who would you blame if you ate at a restaurant and got deathly ill? If you survived (and folks haven't) who would you take legal action against to recover medical costs? If vendor permits are retarded, why do you think you would have any right to potentially take legal action and recover any of your costs?

 

[spamking]

On another note, licensing restrictions are almost entirely bullshit. They generally keep poor minorities form making money for themselves by working, as is the case here.

Really? I've known several "poor minorities" who were very successful at obtaining the required permits to make a living. They understood (like apparently many here don't) that in order to make a living or do business that they needed to meet various requirements.

 

[spamking]

The contents of the man's wallet offer up jack shit in terms of evidence. Don't we expect adults to carry some cash? Unless they also bagged up his wieners, buns, and grill, I'm calling bullshit.

Taking the products is really all they should've done IMO. Give the guy a ticket and move on. If you see him selling again check for a permit. If he doesn't have one then take the next legal steps to get him off the streets.

 

[IDL]

That is basically the problem; the potential for corruption is just too high given the way the law is currently written. The spirit of the law is directed toward enabling law enforcement agencies with the ability to potentially cripple criminal organizations by seizing assets and funds, which is good. The problem comes when those agencies start to view the law as an alternative method of funding for their departments.

John Oliver did a decent piece on civil forfeiture corruption a few years ago. I don't always agree with Oliver, but IMO when he stays away from politics on his show, it's actually not bad. I think my favorite part is where the Montgomery county PD used seized assets to buy Crown Royal and a margarita machine for their office party...



Regardless of how badly civil forfeiture laws need to be rewritten, the hot dog guy either didn't know he needed a permit (and now he definitely does), or he knew, gambled against not getting caught, and lost.

I'm not sure I buy the corruption angle on this one, despite there being some validity to the larger more general argument about civil forfeiture leading to such things.

How much money are we talking about here? A hundred bucks? Two hundred? And it's not like it goes directly into someones pocket. The idea that a beat cop is thinking that he will pad his departments budget (and thus somehow gain from this) over some hotdog cash seems odd. Not impossible, but odd.

To me it seems like something a rookie would do, by going by the book and not applying leeway to things, but I don't know much about the situation.

 

[Andy Capp]

This probably falls under civil forfeiture, which is apparently VERY open to interpretation.

"Civil forfeiture in the United States, also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture or occasionally civil seizure, is a controversial legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing."

Yes, but civil forfeiture is wrong. It's completely and totally wrong. It's legalized robbery of civilians by police. Fuck that.

 

[Andy Capp]

the issue here is that his stand is taking business away from businesses that are doing it within the law, and that people buying his product assume that he is legally allowed to be there and that there is some protection that what they are eating isn't going to make them sick.

So does that mean you're against Uber and Air BnB? I agree, mind you, but this principle should be applied equally.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Really? I've known several "poor minorities" who were very successful at obtaining the required permits to make a living. They understood (like apparently many here don't) that in order to make a living or do business that they needed to meet various requirements.

There are always exceptions. Some people are very successful at navigating red tape. But most of this type of regulatory licensing only serves to protect the more established businesses by raising the cost of entry into various markets.

Shouldn't need a two year degree to do someone's nails.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Is this shit legal? I mean if he gave him a ticket, that's one thing but you can't just take away money like that since there is ZERO proof that all that money he took away from him was from selling hotdogs.





Anyways int he long run, seems like it's going to pay off for juan...He's at 32k! LMFAO.


Shit, if he wins a lawsuit, he might have struck gold.

Also they are trying to get rid of this cop.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/992/...-police-department/?taf_id=42219554&cid=fb_na

Apparently this UC berekley Cop, Aranas, has a long history of being a douche.


This guy should fight Antifa/Right Wing Larpers in Berkeley (Cops literally just stay back lol) instead of robbing some guy selling hotdogs.

It's a douche move, but it's the law - just like they don't have to prove you bought your car with drug money to seize it.

I did notice that Juan is up to 74k on go fund me. So hopefully he'll use that money to get the correct permits and put a little away.

 

[spamking]

There are always exceptions. Some people are very successful at navigating red tape. But most of this type of regulatory licensing only serves to protect the more established businesses by raising the cost of entry into various markets.

Shouldn't need a two year degree to do someone's nails.

Keeping new businesses out of a market is a legitimate concern and is very likely a partial reason for the processes in place in larger metro areas.

Doing someone's nails might not need to require a two-year degree, but they definitely need to receive various and specific training/certifications before actually doing it. You wouldn't go get a tattoo from some unsanitary, unlicensed tattoo artist would you?

 

[DespicablePeep]

You're ignorant.

No, of course what you just said is crap. The sentiment is this: who cares about these lawbreakers if they can't abide by the laws and rules that are the same for everyone. They are not unjust. They are not racist. They are laws that have evolved based on a culture of business that has endured while becoming increasingly sophisticated and messy for centuries. They are the same for everyone.

If these criminals can't compete with restaurants playing by the same regulations and rules as the restaurant-owners, then maybe they shouldn't have their stands out at a UC Berkeley football game in the first place. Got your criminal assets seized? Whoops. Guess you shouldn't have been out there.

criminals lol did he touch you with his wiener?

 

[Deleted member 491001]

You're ignorant.

No, of course what you just said is crap. The sentiment is this: who cares about these lawbreakers if they can't abide by the laws and rules that are the same for everyone. They are not unjust. They are not racist. They are laws that have evolved based on a culture of business that has endured while becoming increasingly sophisticated and messy for centuries. They are the same for everyone.

If these criminals can't compete with restaurants playing by the same regulations and rules as the restaurant-owners, then maybe they shouldn't have their stands out at a UC Berkeley football game in the first place. Got your criminal assets seized? Whoops. Guess you shouldn't have been out there.

Great post madmick.

It's a douche move, but it's the law - just like they don't have to prove you bought your car with drug money to seize it.

I did notice that Juan is up to 74k on go fund me. So hopefully he'll use that money to get the correct permits and put a little away.

$10k goal, up to $76k now.

Lucky guy!