I just think you're being very unfair to a band that has alot to offer. If you don't like them, fine, feel free to, but what you're saying about them isn't completely accurate and can be said about a band you use as your name and av, it's pointing out how inconsistent you're being. Dave has been wanking on the guitar his whole career. The solo is a part of the song, the point I"m trying to make and you're not getting is that there are tons of Dream Theater songs where the only "wanking" going on is in the solo, yet to you "All their songs sound like a protracted circle jerk with each guy trying to outdo the others." and are "A bunch of Malmsteens fucking around" - paraphrasing. Both statements are bullshit and straight up ignorant. I know Gers wasn't around during the Killers era, I'm pointing out to you that the Murray solo is nothing but wankery, the titular track to the album you like so much you made it your avatar.