Proof Conor vs Khabib=most significant MMA fight ever. 21-3 vs 26-0 for a belt has never happened b4

Agent Mulder's Hair · Aug 14, 2018

all that from an account that's 9 months old

Mga223 · Aug 14, 2018

Sapp said:
Rousey vs Holm: 9-0 vs 12-0.

TS didn't even have Floyd vs Conor

Mga223 · Aug 14, 2018

Agent Mulder's Hair said:
I went to TS's profile page because I'm getting sick of seeing his nauseating manlove for Conor every single day around here. Somebody please make this guy stop

Here are the threads TS has created that have Conor's name in the title:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/p...6-0-for-a-belt-has-never-happened-b4.3812281/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/y...khabib-first-before-knocking-him-out.3811735/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/u...ard-ufc-229-isnt-going-to-be-stacked.3811085/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/h...s-as-they-say-history-repeats-itself.3810313/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/g...r-beats-khabib-greatest-p4p-win-ever.3809197/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/t...is-dad-was-pretty-touching-inspiring.3806421/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/o...dy-body-punching-appreciation-thread.3804085/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...-tour-like-what-was-done-for-ufc-194.3803467/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...rcard-for-conors-glorious-ufc-return.3802713/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...ms-of-conors-game-full-analysis-long.3782813/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...e-only-educated-body-punchers-in-mma.3778829/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/i...khabib-is-on-hints-ufc-229-october-6.3768919/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...else-conors-resume-is-so-under-rated.3748645/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...eal-estate-agent-conor-better-cardio.3747585/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/k...-real-champ-lineage-still-with-conor.3744301/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...ges-vs-conor-files-restraining-order.3742429/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/t...ctions-how-everything-is-about-conor.3738869/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/debunking-the-myth-that-conor-has-bad-cardio.3731179/

all that from an account that's 9 months old

It's embarrassing and the fact its someone with a banned account.

Automatic Man · Aug 14, 2018

Never seen someone make such a good argument yet be full of shit at the same time

Kobra420 · Aug 14, 2018

I think it's @MescalineDreams alternate.....

Mysterio · Aug 14, 2018

Agent Mulder's Hair said:
I went to TS's profile page because I'm getting sick of seeing his nauseating manlove for Conor every single day around here. Somebody please make this guy stop

Here are the threads TS has created that have Conor's name in the title:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/p...6-0-for-a-belt-has-never-happened-b4.3812281/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/y...khabib-first-before-knocking-him-out.3811735/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/u...ard-ufc-229-isnt-going-to-be-stacked.3811085/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/h...s-as-they-say-history-repeats-itself.3810313/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/g...r-beats-khabib-greatest-p4p-win-ever.3809197/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/t...is-dad-was-pretty-touching-inspiring.3806421/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/o...dy-body-punching-appreciation-thread.3804085/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...-tour-like-what-was-done-for-ufc-194.3803467/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...rcard-for-conors-glorious-ufc-return.3802713/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...ms-of-conors-game-full-analysis-long.3782813/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...e-only-educated-body-punchers-in-mma.3778829/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/i...khabib-is-on-hints-ufc-229-october-6.3768919/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...else-conors-resume-is-so-under-rated.3748645/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...eal-estate-agent-conor-better-cardio.3747585/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/k...-real-champ-lineage-still-with-conor.3744301/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...ges-vs-conor-files-restraining-order.3742429/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/t...ctions-how-everything-is-about-conor.3738869/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/debunking-the-myth-that-conor-has-bad-cardio.3731179/

all that from an account that's 9 months old

Yikes...

you'd have to be one hell of a basement dwelling neckbeard to live vicariously through a fighter like this

Kobra420 · Aug 14, 2018

FireKidWS said:
I’m not sure I get the hate.

I have actually learned more from Prologic than most of you.

Trolling or not, he provides cool gifs,facts, analysis (even if biased) and things to think about.

If he really is “trolling” he’s doing a good job of educating people along the way.

I’m actually curious why you guys hate him. You guys really don’t even try to refute his points, several of which make sense.

@CrimsonFan @Sapp @grinderman

Funny, you type just like him....He must have some influence on ya...

FireKidWS · Aug 14, 2018

Kobra420 said:
Funny, you type just like him....He must have some influence on ya...

You know, there’s few things i detest less than guys that jump on a hate bandwagon but have no balls to ever throw the first punch.

Half of you pricks in here are nothing more than the cool kids fat wannabe friend that kicks the guys when their down after the fight is already over.

I miss the days on Sherdog where good arguments were debated, not trolled.

ThunderStruck · Aug 14, 2018

GSP vs Shields owns that easy, especially if you remove all the bums off of Khabib and Conor's resume.

Taric · Aug 14, 2018

Rashad vs Machida was two undefeated fighters for the belt. So was Jones vs Cormier 1
Hughes was 41-4 when GSP beat him the first time.

This is some special level of ball licking going on.

Kobra420 · Aug 14, 2018

FireKidWS said:
You know, there’s few things i detest less than guys that jump on a hate bandwagon but have no balls to ever throw the first punch.

Half of you pricks in here are nothing more than the cool kids fat wannabe friend that kicks the guys when their down after the fight is already over.

I miss the days on Sherdog where good arguments were debated, not trolled.

Muffin......<3

Oooxente · Aug 14, 2018

PROlogic said:
Cro cop was 16-2 vs a 22-1 Fedor when they met

Fedor was 13-1 vs a 19-1 Big Nog

Jones was 20-1 vs a 15-0 DC, which pails in comparison, yet some sherdog geeks had the nerve to call that fight one of the most significant lmao

In fact the only other fight that compares is Conor vs Aldo

Conor was 18-2 vs a 25-1 Aldo

Amazing how Conor is apart of the 2 most significant fights in MMA history from a purely statistical standpoint

Conor could even have the #3 spot as well

Conor was 20-3 vs a 28-4 Alvarez

Sherdoggers love to say Conor fights are just money fights, yet Conor's fights are the most statistically significant fights in history too (they just also happen to make huge money because of Conor)

No one else in MMA has fought more elite of the elite fighters with greater records in their primes

Name me anyone else in MMA history who has more impressive wins statistically then 17-2 (Mendes), 25-1 (Aldo), 28-4 (Alvarez) etc.

And if Conor beats Khabib, now add a 26-0

If/when Conor beats Khabib, then Conor will have 2 wins over TWO 10 year undefeated fighters from different weight classes

That is absolutely mind boggling insane. How is it that people still refuse to give Conor any credit?

No one else in MMA history will have come close to that

Conor will have wins over 25-1 (Aldo) and 26-0 (Khabib)

The first to have ended two runs of 10 plus years, in 2 different weight classes

The first to ever beat Aldo AND Khabib (10 year runs at each 145 and 155)

It's criminal how underrated and under appreciated Conor is. If Conor beats Khabib, Conor is without a doubt top 3 all time GOAT, and it isn't even close.

Show me anyone else who will have had multiple wins over 10 year undefeated fighters, and who will have had better wins statistically over as many elite fighters as Conor does while in their primes.

Only Gsp is better. Btw if Conor beats Khabib, then Conor vs Gsp will battle for the undisputed all time #1 GOAT

ohh you...

dildos · Aug 14, 2018

PROlogic said:
This is the sad state of sherdog right now

Actually providing statistics and backing up a thread that appreciates both fighters is now called shit

The fact your post has 27 upvotes just tells me that there are 27 other trolls who more appreciate shit-posting LIKE YOURS

Sherdog is sadly now all about posting memes, shitty little one liners, and flaming other posters.

I want to actually discuss MMA and great match ups like Conor vs Khabib. In this thread I wanted to attack it from a purely statistical standpoint

Considering how many sher-trolls I've seen "laugh" at Conor vs Khabib being called the most significant fight in history, I wanted to debunk that myth with actual facts

There had never been a championship fight that was more significant then 21-3 vs 26-0

lmao you care about meaningless likes?

{<jordan}

Ghostoftheville · Aug 14, 2018

Char Jawz said:
Rashad Evans 13-0-1 vs Machida 14-0 for the LHW belt. The beginning...and end of the Machida Era.

First time two undefeated fighters faced off for a UFC title, in the premier division at that time.

icex48x · Aug 14, 2018

I’m pro Conor but fuck man.

Cro cop vs fedor? Still nothing has gave me the feeling that did during build up and during the fight. I get excited but that was different.

SuperNerd · Aug 14, 2018

Most significant fight ever... in 2018? right?

Newave · Aug 15, 2018

PROlogic said:
Cro cop was 16-2 vs a 22-1 Fedor when they met

Fedor was 13-1 vs a 19-1 Big Nog

Jones was 20-1 vs a 15-0 DC, which pails in comparison, yet some sherdog geeks had the nerve to call that fight one of the most significant lmao

In fact the only other fight that compares is Conor vs Aldo

Conor was 18-2 vs a 25-1 Aldo

Amazing how Conor is apart of the 2 most significant fights in MMA history from a purely statistical standpoint

Conor could even have the #3 spot as well

Conor was 20-3 vs a 28-4 Alvarez

Sherdoggers love to say Conor fights are just money fights, yet Conor's fights are the most statistically significant fights in history too (they just also happen to make huge money because of Conor)

No one else in MMA has fought more elite of the elite fighters with greater records in their primes

Name me anyone else in MMA history who has more impressive wins statistically then 17-2 (Mendes), 25-1 (Aldo), 28-4 (Alvarez) etc.

And if Conor beats Khabib, now add a 26-0

If/when Conor beats Khabib, then Conor will have 2 wins over TWO 10 year undefeated fighters from different weight classes

That is absolutely mind boggling insane. How is it that people still refuse to give Conor any credit?

No one else in MMA history will have come close to that

Conor will have wins over 25-1 (Aldo) and 26-0 (Khabib)

The first to have ended two runs of 10 plus years, in 2 different weight classes

The first to ever beat Aldo AND Khabib (10 year runs at each 145 and 155)

It's criminal how underrated and under appreciated Conor is. If Conor beats Khabib, Conor is without a doubt top 3 all time GOAT, and it isn't even close.

Show me anyone else who will have had multiple wins over 10 year undefeated fighters, and who will have had better wins statistically over as many elite fighters as Conor does while in their primes.

Only Gsp is better. Btw if Conor beats Khabib, then Conor vs Gsp will battle for the undisputed all time #1 GOAT

First let me say that you bring up some interesting and eye opening statistics about the win/loss records of these fighters compared to other title fights. And I do agree that Conor is one of the best 145ers and 155ers in the history of the sport (I can’t call him THE best at 145 because he never defended, and not at 155 until he beats more top contenders and wins a rubber match against Nate). However, like many other sherdoggers, I don’t like the way you present your information. You claim to be all about statistics but that’s false, your threads aren’t just about statistics. You list a few statistics and then throw in a lot of your own opinion and interpretation of those statistics, (Conor is the GOAT, 125-155 weight divisions are the most elite and every other division is shit, Jones vs DC is “lmao” etc.) Statistics aren’t an absolute truth, they can be very bias in the way they are developed, presented, and interpreted. For example, you claim that Conor-Khabib is the most significant fight because no other fighters have as many combined wins with as few loses. But what makes a fight significant is not factual and quantifiable, it’s simply a matter of opinion. Many would argue that win/loss records are not the only factor for the significance of a fight. There are many other factors including legacy, number of title defenses, super fights (the definition for that is debatable), former Olympic medalist fighting, etc.

But even if we were to consider your win/loss standard, your formula for evaluating win/loss records is flawed. You aren’t taking into consideration where the wins were acquired. Conor/Khabib have 30 combined fights that were NOT in the UFC (or in an equally large or competitive organization such as the former Pride Fighting Championship or WEC if you were in one of the smaller weight divisions), while DC/Jones combined only have 17 fights outside the UFC. Fedor/Cro Cop only had 13 fights combined that were NOT in Pride. So though Conor/Khabib have more wins, many of those came in much smaller organizations with weaker competition. So your own logic is hypocritical, because you consider wins in “weak” divisions to be insignificant but you don’t apply the same criticism to wins in weaker organizations. On that same note, I wouldn’t even consider Khabib’s 26-0 record something to necessarily praise at this point. With a record like that, the bigger question is, why didn’t he become a champion in the UFC a LONG time ago? You criticize other highly regarded title fights where the contender had about 15 wins, but that is actually standard for a high level and talented prospect. Typically, if you get 10 wins in a smaller organization you are getting calls from the UFC (less wins needed if you come from a well known camp like AKA or Jacksons) and depending on the division, if you get 5-7 wins in a row against increasingly tougher opponents you are likely getting a title shot. So Khabib’s 26-0 record doesn’t make his fights more “significant”, it makes his career path questionable.

Another statistical bias is that you count losses that really weren’t losses (Jones vs Hamill, Fedor vs Kohsaka). And an even bigger bias in your formula is that you consider total number of wins and losses, but don’t factor in the win percentage. This would be like someone analyzing crime stats for several different cities, without applying per capita. So for example taking Conor and Khabib’s combined records leave them with a 93.2% winning rate. GSP (24-2) vs Hendricks (15-1) had roughly the same winning rate. Fedor/Cro Cop had about a 95% winning rate if you don’t count Fedor’s doctor stoppage, and DC/Jones had a 97% rate by the time they fought, and this is if we even consider the Hamill “loss”.

If we are strictly talking win/loss records, and taking into consideration where wins came from, the nature of a loss, and winning percentages of both fighters, other fights that need to be considered as equally or more significant than Conor/Khabib are DJ (21-2-1) vs Benavidez 2 (22-3) and Carlos Condit (28-5) vs GSP (22-2), and Hughes (41-4) vs GSP (12-1). And since you made the argument that Conor vs Aldo should be on the list, then Edgar vs Aldo should as well, being that Edgar and Conor had similar records when they fought Aldo, when you consider that 2 of Edgar’s losses were close and controversial decisions (and these were in title fights). And Edgar was a 155 champ who had defended the belt 3 times. Holloway (17-3) vs Aldo 1 was also similar in winning stats to Conor vs Aldo, especially when taking into consideration the quality of Holloway’s wins. I would also put Benson (19-2) vs Pettis (16-2) as an honorable mention based on a few different factors, but that is VERY debatable.

I WILL CUT YOU · Aug 15, 2018

Newave said:
First let me say that you bring up some interesting and eye opening statistics about the win/loss records of these fighters compared to other title fights. And I do agree that Conor is one of the best 145ers and 155ers in the history of the sport (I can’t call him THE best at 145 because he never defended, and not at 155 until he beats more top contenders and wins a rubber match against Nate). However, like many other sherdoggers, I don’t like the way you present your information. You claim to be all about statistics but that’s false, your threads aren’t just about statistics. You list a few statistics and then throw in a lot of your own opinion and interpretation of those statistics, (Conor is the GOAT, 125-155 weight divisions are the most elite and every other division is shit, Jones vs DC is “lmao” etc.) Statistics aren’t an absolute truth, they can be very bias in the way they are developed, presented, and interpreted. For example, you claim that Conor-Khabib is the most significant fight because no other fighters have as many combined wins with as few loses. But what makes a fight significant is not factual and quantifiable, it’s simply a matter of opinion. Many would argue that win/loss records are not the only factor for the significance of a fight. There are many other factors including legacy, number of title defenses, super fights (the definition for that is debatable), former Olympic medalist fighting, etc.

But even if we were to consider your win/loss standard, your formula for evaluating win/loss records is flawed. You aren’t taking into consideration where the wins were acquired. Conor/Khabib have 30 combined fights that were NOT in the UFC (or in an equally large or competitive organization such as the former Pride Fighting Championship or WEC if you were in one of the smaller weight divisions), while DC/Jones combined only have 17 fights outside the UFC. Fedor/Cro Cop only had 13 fights combined that were NOT in Pride. So though Conor/Khabib have more wins, many of those came in much smaller organizations with weaker competition. So your own logic is hypocritical, because you consider wins in “weak” divisions to be insignificant but you don’t apply the same criticism to wins in weaker organizations. On that same note, I wouldn’t even consider Khabib’s 26-0 record something to necessarily praise at this point. With a record like that, the bigger question is, why didn’t he become a champion in the UFC a LONG time ago? You criticize other highly regarded title fights where the contender had about 15 wins, but that is actually standard for a high level and talented prospect. Typically, if you get 10 wins in a smaller organization you are getting calls from the UFC (less wins needed if you come from a well known camp like AKA or Jacksons) and depending on the division, if you get 5-7 wins in a row against increasingly tougher opponents you are likely getting a title shot. So Khabib’s 26-0 record doesn’t make his fights more “significant”, it makes his career path questionable.

Another statistical bias is that you count losses that really weren’t losses (Jones vs Hamill, Fedor vs Kohsaka). And an even bigger bias in your formula is that you consider total number of wins and losses, but don’t factor in the win percentage. This would be like someone analyzing crime stats for several different cities, without applying per capita. So for example taking Conor and Khabib’s combined records leave them with a 93.2% winning rate. GSP (24-2) vs Hendricks (15-1) had roughly the same winning rate. Fedor/Cro Cop had about a 95% winning rate if you don’t count Fedor’s doctor stoppage, and DC/Jones had a 97% rate by the time they fought, and this is if we even consider the Hamill “loss”.

If we are strictly talking win/loss records, and taking into consideration where wins came from, the nature of a loss, and winning percentages of both fighters, other fights that need to be considered as equally or more significant than Conor/Khabib are DJ (21-2-1) vs Benavidez 2 (22-3) and Carlos Condit (28-5) vs GSP (22-2), and Hughes (41-4) vs GSP (12-1). And since you made the argument that Conor vs Aldo should be on the list, then Edgar vs Aldo should as well, being that Edgar and Conor had similar records when they fought Aldo, when you consider that 2 of Edgar’s losses were close and controversial decisions (and these were in title fights). And Edgar was a 155 champ who had defended the belt 3 times. Holloway (17-3) vs Aldo 1 was also similar in winning stats to Conor vs Aldo, especially when taking into consideration the quality of Holloway’s wins. I would also put Benson (19-2) vs Pettis (16-2) as an honorable mention based on a few different factors, but that is VERY debatable.

We appreciate the reply, but you're arguing with a guy who legitimately thinks Conor would KO Jon Jones inside a round.

Newave · Aug 15, 2018

I WILL CUT YOU said:
We appreciate the reply, but you're arguing with a guy who legitimately thinks Conor would KO Jon Jones inside a round.

Oh shit. I didn't know what I was getting into then lol.

C0NCH3TO · Aug 15, 2018

its a huge fight.... biggest? ive heard that many times

Proof Conor vs Khabib=most significant MMA fight ever. 21-3 vs 26-0 for a belt has never happened b4

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