Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

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  1. IngaVovchanchyn

    IngaVovchanchyn Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    I think this is a predictable result of highly centralized government running a large geographical entity. The entire US is facing these kinds of pressures. I think federalism has been an effective safety valve in the past, but neither side seems to care for it much these days.

    California itself seems to have undergone dramatic demographic change in just a few decades. I wonder how much that adds tot he normal political strife.
     
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  2. HunterSdVa29

    HunterSdVa29 Respect, tho Platinum Member

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    this would still have to pass Congress, right?

    "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress"
     
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  3. HunterSdVa29

    HunterSdVa29 Respect, tho Platinum Member

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    regardless, i'd still be in likely the worst part of SoCal........so good times?
     
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  4. Rod1

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    But then how are you going to make sure no third party becomes viable? you cant threaten the 2 party system, thats the most bipartisan thing around.
     
  5. Roaming East

    Roaming East Ficti pravique tenax

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    worked for Virginia
     
  6. Anung Un Rama

    Anung Un Rama The Right Hand of Doom Platinum Member

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    What a stupid idea.
     
  7. jk7707

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    How would agriculture be huge? Most of the geographical area sucks for agriculture. Wine country is mostly south of the map. Weed is available all over Oregon, Washington, and the rest of California, so how exactly would that put it on the map? The giant Redwoods are only located on the coast and, newsflash the counties they are located in are among the poorest in the state.

    Sounds like a prosperous "state" to me!
     
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  8. woodguyatl

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    Likely a shift toward Republican in the EC. The will now get some rather than no EC votes from the new South California.
     
  9. xcvbn

    xcvbn Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    The proposed "Southern California" couldn't have been named better- it would truly resemble a southern state in the west coast considering all the red neck racists and diehard Republicans who live in those counties.
     
  10. woodguyatl

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    You are misreading the result. Current California provides 2 Dems to the Senate. Under the 3 state plan the likely outcome is 4 D's and 2 R's to the Senate which is still a +2 D margin provided by "California" so there is no net change in influence.
     
  11. woodguyatl

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    NorCal would be a poor state without the Bay Area.
     
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  12. woodguyatl

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    Partly to give each State an equal population and partly to not change the net +2 Democrat advantage that California gives to the Senate.
     
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  13. xcvbn

    xcvbn Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    It could work but "California" and "Southern California" would absolutely require a 100-year guarantee that the aqueducts stay full to the brim, at whatever cost to "Northern California".
     
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    Bloodworth Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card Banned

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    The normal people want to be separated from the crap ones
     
  15. JJSBUR

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    I am pretty sure Northern Cali would be pro gun, I think there would be 2-4 anti gun, with Northern Cali being pro. Southern Cali might go pro as well.
     
  16. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Now now, we all know Orange County, San Diego, and the Inland Empire are the only CA counties still sane enough to resists the batshit-crazy ideas concocted by the Bay Area, promoted by L.A celebs, and rubber-stamped by career politicians in Sacramento.

    In fact, very few (if any at all) of the most idiotic California laws (like decriminalizing the willful spreading of HIV), policies (Sanctuary), and white elephant billion dollars projects ("High-speed Rail") that embarrassed us all actually came from the "redneck racists" in the Inland Empire and "diehard Republicans" in Orange County.

    Can you name any?
     
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  17. nefti

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    Norcal (especially the bay area) and socal should be split. They are so different. Also many bay area firms are beginning to realizs that norcal and its extreme politics is detrimental for continuing the business friendly enviorement in the area. That is why google is spending billions building in LA and socal.
     
  18. nefti

    nefti Red Belt

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    Uh no. The rednecks are in inland cali, in the desert.

    Socal is also starting tk steal investment from norcal and its extreme political ideology. Google is spending big in socal and it seems other firms are following.
     
  19. Madmick

    Madmick Scholar of Taghaza Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Has no chance, I don't know why people keep wasting breath talking about this.
     
  20. ElKarlo

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    Does it really need to be three states to do that? Just break up the electorate, and have the candidate win via who wins that particular congressional district
     

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