PSA: "Karate blocks" are not blocks!

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  1. Tayski

    Tayski Stand-up Fighting

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    Some of those on the video I posted are blocks. The point is those blocks are not meant to be just blocks, that's what is said in the original thread.
     
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  2. Dougall

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    Found this video on Iain Abernathy's forum(pretty good source for more "pratical katare" discussion/videos)
    Its an interesting take on the applications of Shuto-Uke or Knife Hand Block.

    Definitely seems more practical that "chopping" on to the attackers wrist as they punch, as I was taught when i first started karate
     
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    Another extensive video on Gedan Barai. Not all of these seem practical but this still showcases how many "non-blocking" uses Gedai Barai can have.

     
  4. Tayski

    Tayski Stand-up Fighting

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    Worst video you could have picked. Any of the stuff he's trying on there would have him punched straight in the face by even a semi decent boxer.
     
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    A Muse of Fire Brown Belt

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    I think some of those sequences could work to set up a clinch but ducking into a double leg takedown seems like a higher percentage move.

    Interestingly the first several would work better in a pure grappling context.
     
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    FightGuyOpenMind Purple Belt

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    Amazing insight. Thank you for this.
     
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    KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Arrow sash belt with papakhka Yellow Card

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    If that s gedan barai then I guess anything can be gedan barai.
     
  8. Hotora86

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  9. georgegreece

    georgegreece Banned Banned

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    These techniques are meant to be used 1000 years back when people fought with sticks, blocking a low kick with the barai shit is stupid and taught in every karate class, the full move would grab the leg and sweep the opponent, what you show is american karate. Striking with open palms or with a chop IS efficient in a street fight if you don't want your fists broken.
     
  10. Tahm Kench

    Tahm Kench White Belt

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    Karate Blocks/Japaneese JuJitsu Blocks are solely meant for self defence applications, not between two trained men.

    Your entire post falls short because you fail to mention that Karate Blocks were not designed to be used in the manner you are saying. They were designed to block against an untrained attacker and or an attacker with a weapon which is why the many of the blocks use the outer arm as a shield. You're taught to take knifes on the least vital parts of your body. Also, if you start using weapon kata which was applicable in the early days for defence. The blocks are usually the same all the way through weapon and or hand to hand.
     
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    Jesse Enkamp and his brother Oliver (pro MMA fighter with the UFC) conveying basically the same message as the OP:

     
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    Lol bro is that instructor suspended in a state of permanent puberty?
     
  13. Hotora86

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    Yeah I know, he's corny as fuck... but hey, he's spreading some legit good knowledge.
     
  14. JohnPJones

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    This surprised me as a topic. Outside of goju and the organization I came up in, I don’t have much exposure to other karateka, so I thought that was fairly common knowledge as it’s typically taught around 10th-8th Kyu in my experience depending on age and what not.
    Also interesting I was just taught what you guys are referring to as gedan barai simply as gedan uke.

    Forgive any misspelling I rarely have had a need to type or write out technique names.
    Any way it always seemed extremely obvious that ‘blocking’ movements in kata and what not were intended for other interpretations with hikei uke, kakua uke, and mawasha uke.
     
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    Okinawan Karate styles seem to be better at conserving and conveying these proper uke usages. Japanese Karate styles (Shotokan and Kyokushin mainly) discarded them almost completely since they don't fit well with their competition rulesets. Sadly, it's the Japanese Karate that's most popular worldwide so this knowledge isn't globally common.
     
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  16. Tayski

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    It's also very dependant on the lineage and instructors themselves.
     
  17. Hotora86

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    True.
     
  18. JohnPJones

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    since there seems to be a lot of knowledgeable karateka I'm just curious how well known and the regards the Sho-Rei-Shobu Kan organization and the late Shihan Roseberry.
    as I've said outside of my org I'm not familiar with other orgs as I mainly just focused on my own training.
     
  19. fighthug

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    If a karateka is to defend a kick of a muaythai fighter with the arm he will keep the arm billed
     

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