Rockhold should change to a grappling heavy gameplan

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  1. truthisfreedom

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    Nope the guy under got it, Jorge Gurgel.

    Complete badass, high level black belt bjj but refused to do anything but stand and bang. Legit self- sabotaged his career
     
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    - Rockhold should learn takedowns
    - Condit should learn takedown defense
    - Ngannou should do cardio
    - every fighter should learn something


    Too bad they dont listen to us, sherdoggers!
     
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    to be fair, you did say LHW. Gurgel was a Lightweight.
     
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    He should. He made Bisping look helpless that first fight.

    Shame his defense is trash.
     
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    This. He has never shown a strong TD game. I actually don't remember him ever trying to take anyone down.
     
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    Gurgel?

    I think he was a WW tho
     
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    Yep I think you're right , couldn't remember.
     
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    Gurgel evidently had fantastic BJJ, but he was nothing compared to Magalhaes. Magalhaes had a very decorated grappling career. Hell, the guy beat Werdum in the ADCC. Tapped out Chris Weidman with a flying armbar. He was a GREAT grappler.
     
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    Based on his results when he gets top control, I'd venture to say he's even better than Khabib once there. Khabib takes guys down every fight and lives on top, yet has gone to many decisions. Rockhold annihilates people when on top. Difference between him and Khabib is that Khabib seems to be considerably smarter and builds his whole game around his top game. Meanwhile, Rockhold seems to think he's amazing on the feet and only takes people down as an afterthought. Also, because Khabib pressures people and they know how good he is on the ground, they're cautious throwing, so it's harder to KO him, whereas Rockhold puts no pressure so nobody's going to worry about getting taken down. He really does need to revisit his game.
     
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    He doesn't have the offensive wrestling nor the cardio for it.
     
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    Even sadder is that the guy trained for years with two guys who put a lot of wrestling pressure on opponents and grind them. Seems he's learned nothing from them because he thinks he's some amazing striker and doesn't need to grapple.
     
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    He does have amazing counter wrestling.

    And he probably has that because of training so much with Cain/Cormier/Khabib.
     
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    Can't argue with that, but he could have learned much from how much they suffocate an opponent with their wrestling. Rockhold seems to always end on top via a counter, so if there's nothing to be countered he can't end up where he's strongest. You look at a guy like Weidman, he's not explosive and yet he almost always manages to get guys down. Rockhold doesn't even try. Maybe after this latest defeat he'll wake up.
     
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    Was hoping he'd have a successful run in the ufc; when he got knocked out by the hippo of all people, you knew it wasn't going to happen. He used to post quite often on here too back in the day.
     
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    that's why I'm talking about going to dagestan to get some hardcore wrestling training. and rockhold doesn't have the cardio? unless USADA destroyed his conditioning, he would be a great guy to have a skillset like that
     
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    Rockhold was gassing vs Weidman.

    I don't think Rockhold has the cardio to pursue a wrestling heavy offensive attack.

    That takes more energy than defending takedowns or standing at a distance with a slow pace.
     
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    Are you thinking of Jorge Gugel?

    He's the poster boy for fancying yourself as a striker.
     
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    that was against weidman when he as allegedly on antibiotics. it was also his first fight post USADA, so there's that
     
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    Good points.

    We have to see more from Rockhold I guess but win or lose his fights generally don't last long.
     
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    Was really surprised he never tried to grapple Romero.

    Sure Romero is an Olympian but he gives up takedowns very easily.
     

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