Russia Collusion megathread v8: Royale w/cheese Grand Jury Edition (FBI raids Manafort)

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Out of curiosity, can liberals explain the difference between foreign powers donating money to Hillary to gain her favor vs if Russia offered dirt on Hillary to trump to get him in? Both are the same concept to sway the election, on is just direct and one is passive. One has been substantiated and one is still under investigation....
 
Yecny said:
Out of curiosity, can liberals explain the difference between foreign powers donating money to Hillary to gain her favor vs if Russia offered dirt on Hillary to trump to get him in? Both are the same concept to sway the election, on is just direct and one is passive. One has been substantiated and one is still under investigation....
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To be fair to the Russians doe the offer to Trump jr was fake Russians.
 
Rachel Maddow on MSNBC today reported some guy from Trump's campaign who was hired by a Russian bank to defend them and was put in charge of the DOJ transition was confirmed to be the guy in charge of the DOJ criminal division to be confirmed by the senate. Some questioned his lack of trial or prosecutor experience. Rubberstamped by the Republicans. I wouldn't be shocked if they let Trump create a dicktatorship of USA.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ser-with-getting-ahead-of-pre-emptive-pardons

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has a distinctly modern problem. The president, judging by his tweets, could try to pardon people in his circle even before prosecutors charge anyone with a crime.


Mueller’s all-star team of prosecutors, with expertise in money laundering and foreign bribery, has an answer to that. He’s Michael Dreeben, a bookish career government lawyer with more than 100 Supreme Court appearances under his belt

Acting as Mueller’s top legal counsel, Dreeben has been researching past pardons and determining what, if any, limits exist, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dreeben’s broader brief is to make sure the special counsel’s prosecutorial moves are legally airtight. That could include anything from strategizing on novel interpretations of criminal law to making sure the recent search warrant on ex-campaign adviser Paul Manafort’s home would stand up to an appeal.

"He’s seen every criminal case of any consequence in the last 20 years," said Kathryn Ruemmler of Latham & Watkins LLP, who served as White House counsel under President Barack Obama. "If you wanted to do a no-knock warrant, he’d be a great guy to consult with to determine if you were exposing yourself.”

Dreeben, 62, built that expertise over three decades as an appeals lawyer at the Justice Department. As a deputy solicitor general, he’s pored over prosecutors’ moves in more than a thousand federal criminal prosecutions and defended many of them from challenges all the way to the nation’s highest court.

Dreeben has begun working on legal issues as a counselor to Mueller but is also retaining some of his solicitor general work for the sake of continuity, according to Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel’s office. Carr declined to elaborate on Dreeben’s work with Mueller or make Dreeben available for comment

Pre-emptive pardons are a distinct possibility now that current and former Trump advisers are under Mueller’s scrutiny. Trump himself has tweeted that everyone agrees the U.S. president has “complete power to pardon." Some of those kinds of executive moves have been well studied, including Gerald Ford’s swift pardon of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton’s exoneration of fugitive financier Marc Rich. But the legal territory is largely uncharted over pardons of a president’s own campaign workers, family members or even himself -- and how prosecutors’ work would then be affected.

What Dreeben brings to the question, say those who know him, is a credibility that comes from parsing how criminal prosecutions have played out across the country. A balding and bearded New Jersey native with a slightly nasal delivery, he has a knack for building careful arguments and the eloquence in court to lay them out in well-reasoned paragraphs, said Miguel Estrada, a lawyer at Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP.
 
PolishHeadlock said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ser-with-getting-ahead-of-pre-emptive-pardons

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has a distinctly modern problem. The president, judging by his tweets, could try to pardon people in his circle even before prosecutors charge anyone with a crime.


Mueller’s all-star team of prosecutors, with expertise in money laundering and foreign bribery, has an answer to that. He’s Michael Dreeben, a bookish career government lawyer with more than 100 Supreme Court appearances under his belt

Acting as Mueller’s top legal counsel, Dreeben has been researching past pardons and determining what, if any, limits exist, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dreeben’s broader brief is to make sure the special counsel’s prosecutorial moves are legally airtight. That could include anything from strategizing on novel interpretations of criminal law to making sure the recent search warrant on ex-campaign adviser Paul Manafort’s home would stand up to an appeal.

"He’s seen every criminal case of any consequence in the last 20 years," said Kathryn Ruemmler of Latham & Watkins LLP, who served as White House counsel under President Barack Obama. "If you wanted to do a no-knock warrant, he’d be a great guy to consult with to determine if you were exposing yourself.”

Dreeben, 62, built that expertise over three decades as an appeals lawyer at the Justice Department. As a deputy solicitor general, he’s pored over prosecutors’ moves in more than a thousand federal criminal prosecutions and defended many of them from challenges all the way to the nation’s highest court.

Dreeben has begun working on legal issues as a counselor to Mueller but is also retaining some of his solicitor general work for the sake of continuity, according to Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel’s office. Carr declined to elaborate on Dreeben’s work with Mueller or make Dreeben available for comment

Pre-emptive pardons are a distinct possibility now that current and former Trump advisers are under Mueller’s scrutiny. Trump himself has tweeted that everyone agrees the U.S. president has “complete power to pardon." Some of those kinds of executive moves have been well studied, including Gerald Ford’s swift pardon of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton’s exoneration of fugitive financier Marc Rich. But the legal territory is largely uncharted over pardons of a president’s own campaign workers, family members or even himself -- and how prosecutors’ work would then be affected.

What Dreeben brings to the question, say those who know him, is a credibility that comes from parsing how criminal prosecutions have played out across the country. A balding and bearded New Jersey native with a slightly nasal delivery, he has a knack for building careful arguments and the eloquence in court to lay them out in well-reasoned paragraphs, said Miguel Estrada, a lawyer at Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP.
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Dreeben is a badass. I think there's only one person with more SCOTUS appearances.
 
PolishHeadlock said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ser-with-getting-ahead-of-pre-emptive-pardons

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has a distinctly modern problem. The president, judging by his tweets, could try to pardon people in his circle even before prosecutors charge anyone with a crime.


Mueller’s all-star team of prosecutors, with expertise in money laundering and foreign bribery, has an answer to that. He’s Michael Dreeben, a bookish career government lawyer with more than 100 Supreme Court appearances under his belt

Acting as Mueller’s top legal counsel, Dreeben has been researching past pardons and determining what, if any, limits exist, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dreeben’s broader brief is to make sure the special counsel’s prosecutorial moves are legally airtight. That could include anything from strategizing on novel interpretations of criminal law to making sure the recent search warrant on ex-campaign adviser Paul Manafort’s home would stand up to an appeal.

"He’s seen every criminal case of any consequence in the last 20 years," said Kathryn Ruemmler of Latham & Watkins LLP, who served as White House counsel under President Barack Obama. "If you wanted to do a no-knock warrant, he’d be a great guy to consult with to determine if you were exposing yourself.”

Dreeben, 62, built that expertise over three decades as an appeals lawyer at the Justice Department. As a deputy solicitor general, he’s pored over prosecutors’ moves in more than a thousand federal criminal prosecutions and defended many of them from challenges all the way to the nation’s highest court.

Dreeben has begun working on legal issues as a counselor to Mueller but is also retaining some of his solicitor general work for the sake of continuity, according to Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel’s office. Carr declined to elaborate on Dreeben’s work with Mueller or make Dreeben available for comment

Pre-emptive pardons are a distinct possibility now that current and former Trump advisers are under Mueller’s scrutiny. Trump himself has tweeted that everyone agrees the U.S. president has “complete power to pardon." Some of those kinds of executive moves have been well studied, including Gerald Ford’s swift pardon of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton’s exoneration of fugitive financier Marc Rich. But the legal territory is largely uncharted over pardons of a president’s own campaign workers, family members or even himself -- and how prosecutors’ work would then be affected.

What Dreeben brings to the question, say those who know him, is a credibility that comes from parsing how criminal prosecutions have played out across the country. A balding and bearded New Jersey native with a slightly nasal delivery, he has a knack for building careful arguments and the eloquence in court to lay them out in well-reasoned paragraphs, said Miguel Estrada, a lawyer at Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP.
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I fucking knew President Shit would create a constitutional crisis.
I fucking knew it.
 
My Congressman has gone from an idiot to a traitor. What if he's under a FISA investigation? Possible?
 
Russia used kaspersky to hack into NSA
 
Has Trump commented on Kaspersky NSA hack yet?

Actually better that he doesn't as he'll probably say something like "We hack too, we're not so innocent" or "Maybe it was some 300lb kid in his mom's basement behind it".
 
We're getting the pee tape, boys. Mueller just keeps on keepin' on, despite all the keyboard cultists parroting online that its all a hoax, it's almost as if he dgaf about what a bunch of trolls online or their troll emperor has to say about any of it. Too bad Sessions went and recused himself and gave this "hoax" a big fat department of justice stamp of approval. The reality TV whitehouse is coming up on sweeps week... and boy the ratings are gonna be big.

"The special counsel investigating whether Russia tried to sway the 2016 U.S. election has taken over FBI inquiries into a former British spy’s dossier of allegations of Russian financial and personal links to President Donald Trump’s campaign and associates, sources familiar with the inquiry told Reuters."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-special-counsels-probe-sources-idUSKBN1C92WN
 
Joe said:
Russia used kaspersky to hack into NSA
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ShoelessRye said:
Has Trump commented on Kaspersky NSA hack yet?

Actually better that he doesn't as he'll probably say something like "We hack too, we're not so innocent" or "Maybe it was some 300lb kid in his mom's basement behind it".
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This is funny to me because I work for the military and our MIS department was sending out recommendations a while back that everyone put an anti-virus on their cell phones. One of their recommendations was Kaspersky :rolleyes:
 
foxnoob said:
We're getting the pee tape, boys. Mueller just keeps on keepin' on, despite all the keyboard cultists parroting online that its all a hoax, it's almost as if he dgaf about what a bunch of trolls online or their troll emperor has to say about any of it. Too bad Sessions went and recused himself and gave this "hoax" a big fat department of justice stamp of approval. The reality TV whitehouse is coming up on sweeps week... and boy the ratings are gonna be big.

"The special counsel investigating whether Russia tried to sway the 2016 U.S. election has taken over FBI inquiries into a former British spy’s dossier of allegations of Russian financial and personal links to President Donald Trump’s campaign and associates, sources familiar with the inquiry told Reuters."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-special-counsels-probe-sources-idUSKBN1C92WN
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That dossier garbage is just that. Nothing will come of it.
 
Overpressure said:
That dossier garbage is just that. Nothing will come of it.
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I used to think the same thing but apparently Mueller's team went over there and interviewed him in the summer. He spoke with them but won't speak to Congress.
 
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