Senator Bernie Sanders introduce new Single-Payer Health Care bill

[panamaican]

Wtf, forum moderator?

Yessir.

 

[kpt018]

The Republicans can pass whatever they want they just lack cohesion

The Democrats on the other hand had a supermajority for approximately two months

sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/the-myth-of-the-filibuster-proof-democratic-senate/

The democrats are not united on a universal healthcare either.

 

[7437]

Yessir.

Damn liberal msm

 

[Casrot]

What about Kamala the Ugandan Giant?

What about me? What about Raven?

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Pelosi2020]

I can guarantee you Bernie will not address cost control in his proposal. It's like he's latched into one talking point that has some popular support like a comedian with only one good joke. So it is a question of does Bernie simply not understand cost control, or does he purposefully not want cost control?

We cannot have single payer and give Big Medical a blank check.

 

[dirtroller]

Private hospitals can certainly turn people away in a non emergency. Public hospitals cannot refuse care.

Hospitals should be able to refuse whoever the fuck they want. You are not entitled to the fruits of another's labor.

 

[no fat chicks]

once this gets past and implemented we will all kick ourselves for not doing it sooner

 

[VivaRevolution]

Ummm, what % of GDP did HC costs make up in 1987?

Let's check google......

Found a source that said 11.6% of GDP in 1989.

We are at 17% GDP and counting.

Canada is currently about 11%.

 

[Arkain2K]

Ummm, what % of GDP did HC costs make up in 1987?

Let's check google......

Found a source that said 11.6% of GDP in 1989.

We are at 17% GDP and counting.

Canada is currently about 11%.

Would be so nice if the people who put forth these proposals actually do their research and presents all the cold hard numbers to the public right up front, isn't it?

I enjoy having heathcare coverage as much as the next guy, and I think it's inevitable that the U.S will have UHC to cover everyone at least at the basic Bronze level, but all the proposals so far are extremely heavy in slogans and exceedingly light on actual details.

Hell, the proposal in my home state of California actually sailed through the Senates (before shot down by the House) earlier this year without any funding whatsoever, because the cowards in the CA Senate was too afraid to ask the Nurse Association "Erm, how is this going to work?"

When Bernie's latest Single-Payer plan is presented to Congress, I sincerely hope it's not half-assed like his previous attempt in Vermont, and we the public would have actual facts to debate on.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Would be so nice if the people who put forth these proposals actually do their research and presents all the cold hard numbers to the public right up front, isn't it?

I enjoy having heathcare coverage as much as the next guy, and I think it's inevitable that the U.S will have UHC to cover everyone at least at the basic Bronze level, but all the proposals so far are extremely heavy in slogans and exceedingly light on actual details.

Hell, the proposal in my home state of California actually sailed through the Senates (before shot down by the House) earlier this year without any funding whatsoever, because the cowards in the CA Senate was too afraid to ask the Nurse Association "Erm, how is this going to work?"

When Bernie's latest Single-Payer plan is presented to Congress, I sincerely hope it's not half-assed like his previous attempt in Vermont, and we the public would have actual facts to debate on.

Very well said. The devil is in the details. My guess is that this is what he has been working on since the election. I have high hopes for a real plan. Hopefully nothing complicated. Just medicare for all, with some basic price controls built in.

 

[Orgasmo]

Good for her. Healthcare should be a right. Nobody should go broke because they are sick or have had an injury.

Healthcare should be a right? You have a right to other people's labor, products and services since when?

I am actually in favor of universal healthcare system, but because it's more efficient and provides greater coverage to the population at lower cost. I don't consider it a "right" for a second.

 

[Arkain2K]

The stunning Democratic shift on single-payer
In 2008, no leading Democratic presidential candidate backed single-payer. In 2020, all of them might.

When he ran for president last year, Bernie Sanders picked up basically zero support from the Democratic establishment. Only one fellow Senator endorsed him, and even his fellow Senator from Vermont endorsed Hillary Clinton.

The Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan, released on Wednesday, is a totally different story. First, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) announced her plans to co-sponsor it; then Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) joined in. Then Cory Booker (D-NJ), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Ed Markey (D-MA), Brian Schatz (D-HI), and Jeff Merkley (D-OR) joined in. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) will reportedly co-sponsor it as well, and Pat Leahy (D-VT), who bucked his colleague Sanders in last year’s primary, is reportedly a supporter too.

Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, and Gillibrand are arguably the most famous and most-admired Democratic senators in the country among the party’s base; the betting markets give a 63 percent chance that one of them will be the 2020 nominee for president.

The rest of the party is getting on board with single-payer — or “Medicare for all,” where the federal government would provide health insurance for every American financed through taxes — as well. 117 House Democrats (over 60 percent of the caucus) have co-sponsored HR 676, the Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Act offered every Congress by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI).

This is what an emerging party consensus looks like. Over time, some issues become so widely accepted within a party as to be a de facto requirement for anyone aspiring to lead it. No Democrat would run for president, or even for House or Senate minority leader, without supporting the DREAM Act. No Republican would try for a leadership position without supporting repeal of the estate tax.

And the way things are going, soon no Democratic leader will be able to oppose single-payer.

The dynamics making Democratic leaders endorse single-payer

This shift has occurred with astonishing speed. Even the left-most mainstream candidate in 2008, John Edwards, didn’t dare propose single-payer, instead backing an individual mandate, insurance exchanges with subsidies, and a public option (presaging the Affordable Care Act, at least as the Obama administration wanted it to be). Al Gore and John Kerry didn’t even pretend their health plans would lead to universal coverage. A few stalwarts in Congress, like Conyers or former Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), kept the flame alive, but in the mainstream of the Democratic party, the idea was dead.

And there are still holdouts to the new pro-single-payer consensus, for sure. Moderate Govs. Terry McAuliffe (D-VA), Steve Bullock (D-MT), and Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) have all hinted at presidential bids, and none have endorsed single-payer. Nor has Joe Biden, who would be 78 on Inauguration Day but is nonetheless putting out feelers for what would be his third run for president.

But if they want to win, the moderates are going to face the exact same pressures that have led Harris and Warren to embrace Medicare-for-all. Bernie Sanders came shockingly close to winning the 2016 primary with almost zero institutional support from the Democratic party, and he fell short in large part because of his failure to appeal to African-American primary voters, who despite preferring Hillary Clinton are more likely than white Democrats to support single-payer.

That tells prospective national candidates some important things about the primary electorate they’re trying to woo. First, it has a huge stock of voters who flocked to Sanders, a candidate who made Medicare-for-all a cornerstone of his campaign. Second, winning those voters while making more inroads among black voters is almost certainly enough to win the primary, and a populist economic message at the very least won’t hurt attempts to woo black voters.

Put it all together, and the best path to victory in the primary starts to look like mimicking Sanders on policy, and certainly on health care policy. What’s more, if Biden or Cuomo were to run and oppose single-payer, they’d be hit hard by all their opponents for being holdouts offering half measures rather than promising universal health care. By contrast, if they just got on board with single-payer, it would be more or less costless in the primary.

There’s more to elections than primaries, of course, and the crushing defeat that single-payer received when it was on the ballot in Colorado last year suggests that massive payroll tax increases of the kind that the Conyers bill and (from early indications) the Sanders bill would entail are not exactly popular with a general election audience.

But that might also be a fixable problem. Universal health care as a concept polls pretty well with the general public, and it’s possible to design a single-payer or de facto single-payer plan that doesn’t require massive tax increases. And while a victorious Democratic president who supports single-payer would have a hard time passing it, they’d have a hard time passing anything significant on health care. There’s little cost in going big.

This is a significant change. And the success of the Sanders primary campaign, along with his subsequent decision to parlay that organizing into an effort to move his colleagues to the left, deserves a lot of credit in effecting it. While he lost the nomination, Sanders appears to have succeeded in significantly shifting the Democratic consensus on one of the party’s bread-and-butter issues.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1504811278

 

[Arkain2K]

Bernie Sanders talks universal Medicare, and 1.1 million people click to watch him
By David Weigel January 24, 2018

With more than 1 million people watching at home, and hundreds watching from the studio audience, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leaned across his desk with a crucial health-care question.

“What’s the quality of the Norwegian system?” Sanders asked Meetali Kakad, an Oslo-based health researcher. “Is it good?”

In her view, it was: “Far better than Canada.”

Sanders’s “town hall on Medicare for All,” an event he’d organized after becoming convinced that it would never be produced by the mainstream media, never got more combative than that. Over 100 minutes, Sanders and nine guests — three at a time, taking turns — discussed the need to bring about single-payer health care, its benefits to business and its implementation around the world. (Kakad’s Canada joke was aimed at Danyaal Raza, there to defend his country’s system.)

“It’s a discussion you’re not likely to see on the mainstream news,” Sanders said at the outset. “This event will not be interrupted by commercials for the drug companies.”

Cable news has been relatively generous to Sanders, as compared to the usual relationship between corporate America and democratic socialists. To strong ratings, he’s appeared in town halls on MSNBC and “debate nights” on CNN. Last year, the senator appeared more on Sunday shows than any member of the Senate’s Democratic caucus. In an interview last fall, he revealed his approach to cable news: “I usually don’t answer the question that they asked.”

On Tuesday night, it was Sanders asking the questions, and getting answers he liked. In the room — the Congressional Auditorium, where in 2010 President Barack Obama revved up House Democrats ahead of their Affordable Care Act vote — Sanders’s audience alternated between rapt attention and grateful applause as experts explained how higher tax rates could replace America’s health-care system with universal Medicare. A mention of Tommy Douglas, the father of Canada’s health-care system who remains somewhat obscure in the United States, inspired loud applause.

“No billboards, no high salaries,” said former Medicare and Medicaid administrator Donald Berwick. “The complexity of the system just isn’t there. What we’ve got here is insane!”

“Is that a clinical term?” asked Sanders, jokingly.

The content of the town hall was familiar; Sanders has hosted Web videos and podcasts on the “Medicare for All” bill. What was new was the delivery system, a team-up between the left-leaning online video channels the Young Turks, Attn and NowThis.

All of those channels had run popular content from Sanders, and the senator had previously hired Armand Aviram away from NowThis to make bite-sized policy explainer videos. The town hall was designed to see whether the online networks could combine to draw a bigger audience than Sanders might get on cable. It worked: According to the partners, 1.1 million people watched the event, about as many as play the popular smartphone trivia game HQ during its twice-daily live episodes.

HQ offers prizes, while Sanders offered some lessons about how health care worked. His first panel delivered a grim view of America’s private health-care system, with the founder of Remote Area Medical describing how the rural poor lived without basic coverage. The next panel offered hope, with businessman Richard Master and brewery owner Jen Kimmich describing how universal coverage could relieve pressure from the private sector.

“Are you finding that more people in the business community going behind ideology and finding that Medicare for All would be good policy for them?” asked Sanders.

“Every day,” said Master.

Sanders, who largely sat and listened to his guests, clearly relished the chance to speak without the confines of a campaign or a TV show. After Kimmich compared the cost of health care with her tax burden, Sanders called himself “the recipient of 30-second ads that raised that issue” and went off.

“What people will say, is, ‘Oh, Sanders is trying to raise taxes,’ ” he said. “It’s true. Many people, not all, will pay more in taxes. But if I told you today that instead of paying $10,000 a year for health insurance, you could pay $7,000 in taxes and have comprehensive health-care coverage for your whole family? Well, what most Americas would say is: Where can I sign up?”

Republicans, who have fitfully engaged with Sanders on his Medicare plan, were not around to argue. Earlier in the day, Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), who has asked for a Congressional Budget Office score of Sanders’s bill, attempted to bait the senator into a debate about “government-run” health care, even asking if cutbacks in the United Kingdom proved that the National Health Service was unworkable. (The U.K.’s Labour Party has blamed the cuts on the ruling Conservative Party’s austerity cuts.)

Sanders ignored the bait, and on Tuesday night, he seemed to be having fun. “Who’s that young guy?” he asked, after a screen showed footage of him from the 1990s — hair already white but noticeably wavier. He shared stories of conservative politicians in other countries recoiling at the cost of American health care. He warned the president that Kakad, while Norwegian, “does not want to move to the United States.”

The whole show ended at around 8:45 p.m. Fifteen minutes later, HQ trivia began. In a remarkable coincidence, one of the questions was about Tommy Douglas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-click-to-watch-him/?utm_term=.6208c5331302

 

[Fawlty]

June 2017 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...er-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/

Only 33% of Americans (52% of Ds) think that healthcare should go to single payer. About 25% want some mix that includes government responsibility beyond Medicare/Medicaid. I'd like to see those numbers increase. The propaganda and state actions against the ACA have really held us back on this. But I'm confident that in another 10 years we will be a majority in favor of single payer.

 

[notori0us1]

Spend trillions so your soldiers can die in the Middle East for billionaire oil companies and globalists but your citizens can't afford basic health care. LOL. The absolute state of America.

America is such a disgusting, vile and pathetic country (b-b-but muh freedom!) I'm really glad that China and Europe will take over it's place once it collapses into a pile of nothing.

 

[Arkain2K]

Spend trillions so your soldiers can die in the Middle East for billionaire oil companies and globalists but your citizens can't afford basic health care. LOL. The absolute state of America.

America is such a disgusting, vile and pathetic country (b-b-but muh freedom!) I'm really glad that China and Europe will take over it's place once it collapses into a pile of nothing.

Do you actually have anything of substance to add in regards to Sanders' proposal? Or are you simply here to spam?

 

[notori0us1]

Do you actually have anything of substance to add in regards to Sanders' proposal?

Yes. It's a great proposal and I support it.

America is still a shithole though.