SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB: Week 131 - Withnail and I

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  1. Tufts

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    I wondered that too coz there was some homoerotismos going on. Guess they were just sensitive artist types and the director threw it in to make us wonder?
     
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    I love the inclusion![​IMG]
     
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    Shoots! @Cubo de Sangre maybe the drinks woulda helped!
     
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    A golden opportunity was missed. :(
     
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    I was hoping you would go deep on Kalamakate’s drawing in Serpent. Why can’t we both get obsessed about the same films :( you went to get candy and never came back. And during Birdman u had ur back issues :( hope that is better!
     
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    I actually liked the end. I found Whitnail to be somewhat annoying and not someone I would want as a friend once I had MY shit together. He abandoned I to get beat up at the bar and then did the same in front of the randy bull. He just seemed high maintenance and needy. I felt that if I woulda stayed with him or brought him along, he woulda held I back. Whitnail also sold I out to his uncle lying about his sexuality and their relationship so they could use the cottage. Yeah their relationship had it’s charm but it also had an expiration date. Maybe Monty would help Whitnail out in the future. He didn’t seem near as concerned about his career as I was. I was gonna make it on his own though.

    BYW love that I was just I im the whole movie.
     
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    Im a fan of intertextualitu so keep it up. I tend to think every single thing shown in a movie should be intentional, if not it screams laziness to me. It’s why I loved Lost so much.
     
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    Yea I was wondering in the beginning why the somber note and then at the end it made a little more sense. Interesting that the opener is of "I" seemingly in reflection about something. The film has a great first act and a good 3rd act, its the middle that needed to be cut and reworked and you would have a pretty damn good movie.

    Yea I don't know, obviously, how much of a connection there is between Withnail and I and Journey's End but there are some similarities and connections there. Even the name of the book, Journey's End, and the end of the film Withnail and I seem to match up idealistically pretty well. If the similarities between the book and the movie are just coincidence then they are pretty good ones.
     
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    HDMI cord?

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    Over missing Serpent. I was looking forward to your commentary ;(
     
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    I loved Birdman, I think its a pretty damn awesome film. As far as the Serpent, I had a ridiculously busy week that week and fully intended on getting into that but it just didn't work out.
     
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    The end was a bit of a shock to me, I just didn't see it coming and I don't think Withnail saw it coming either. I think it works as an ending because we've all known or experienced where two friends go in separate directions. Withnail's uncle Monty would be the only place he had to turn plus Monty was an alcoholic just like Withnail but I get this uneasy feeling that Withnail was destined to live a very hard life and die in a gutter on a cold winters night.
     
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    A Chekhov's gun kind of gal then :p

    Well of course I don't think the book was there by accident, there may some allusion, or 'intertextual discourse', I just didn't agree to the extent that Muster was making comparisons (just my opinion, I like Muster and his demons and am glad he delves into such depths, it offers a new take at the very least, and usually more than that).
     
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    I liked this film. It cracked me up quite a bit. Here are my favourite scenes/lines:

    He puts a kettle on but then goes out for tea and then comes back and makes coffee in a soup bowl :confused:

    There was some awesome whining. Made me realize I don’t dare people enough anymore:
    I dare you. I dare you.
    Why can’t I get an audition?
    Why can’t I be on television?
    I’m in a park and I’m practically dead. What good is the countryside?
    It’s like Greenland in here!
    I’m a trained actor reduced to the stage of a bum (foreshadowing!)
    What happened to my cigar commercial. What happened to my agent?
    Why has my head gone numb. I demand to have some booze.
    Liar. U have antifreeze. You should never mix it drinks (after drinking the lighter fluid)

    There were some funny excuses to avoid getting beat up:
    I have a heart condition. It’s murder. My wife is having a baby. Lol

    More quotes:
    He’s had more drugs than you have had hot dinners
    Carrots have character. Flowers are essentially tarts, prostitutes for the bees

    Here is a deep thought I had halfway through: everything tha happens is so pointless that it makes u think that must be the point.

    I enjoyed the portrayal of the lovely British weather. He had 2 minutes of no rain the following morning in the country followed by more rain. How do you forget your Wellies?!

    More quotes:
    We’ve gone on holiday by mistake!
    Those are the kind of windows faces look in at
    Well have to try and make friends w him...
    It’s u he wants. Offer him yourself
    As a youth I used to weep at butcher shops
    I’m preparing myself to forgive u.
    Are u a sponge or a stone? Is that sixties talk for being a top or a bottom? Methinks so!

    Totally cracked up when the second cop histerically screamed: Get in the back of the van! Lol

    Final favourite quote:
    His name is Juan!
     
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    You made me think about how strange it is that Greenland is like ice and Iceland is green.

    Iceland
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    Greenland
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    The way the film is now is why it's a cult classic. If the middle would've been as good as the beginning and the ending, I think it would've blown right past "pretty damn good movie" and would've been an outstanding movie.

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    I've done that before. I usually do it if I want to show a friend a fight on Fight Pass or something; instead of huddling around my computer, I just hook it up to the TV. But it frustrates my need for control. When I watch a movie, I always have the controls in my hand or at least within reach, either to pause or rewind or what have you. Same thing when I'm on my laptop. I like that ease of access. But if I hook my laptop up to my TV, then it's like I'm stuck in movie theater conditions unless I get up and walk over to the laptop (have I mentioned that I'm lazy?). Plus, I don't know much about technology, but I'm assuming that watching a movie directly on my TV or watching a Blu-ray are better options quality-wise than hooking up my laptop even if it's a decent stream, no?

    I haven't gone back over all the weeks that I've been a member, but I think the only movies that I've skipped so far were movies that I didn't vote for. Granted, I was legitimately busy, otherwise I would've watched them no problem, but since I didn't vote for them I didn't make that extra effort. Even though @Rimbaud82's my nerdy academic brother and I didn't like skipping his week, I just couldn't make it happen. Like I said, though, I'm hoping to be able to watch it over the weekend ahead of the Battle Royale, in which case you'll get some (very late) commentary after all :D
     
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    Yes! Always wondered about that :)
     
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    Bullitt when I was a kid you always had to get up to change the channel on the television. Its a good thing for us we only had about 5 channels. If you had a T.V. Guide you could at least look up whats on before you got up to go change the channel.

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    Don't know how true it is but there is this.

    When the Vikings arrived in Iceland they discovered that it held many resources and riches. They named it Iceland in order to discourage other people from settling there so that they could have it all to themselves. They named Greenland because it was barren and icy and so that people people would settle there instead.
     
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    I read once it was a trick by whoever discovered them (Vikings?) to fool other explorers into thinking Greenland was a tropical paradise or some shit so they wouldn't visit/invade Iceland

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    Before watching the movie I noticed the artwork is done by Ralph Steadman, who did all the artwork for Hunter S. Thompson's books and wrote a great book about their relationship as well. I googled Ralph Steadman Withnail and I, to see why Robinson chose Ralph and couldn't find an answer, but I did see that Robinson did the screenplay for The Rum Diary, another Hunter S. Thompson book turned into a movie. Robinson was clearly influenced by the work of Thompson and Steadman, and with the artwork he wears it on his sleeves.

    In most of Thompsons best stories it's him and a friend, addled with drugs, surrounded by people that most would find innocent, but they find terrifying. The second scene in the movie (the one in the diner) was pure gonzo, reminiscent of Hunters description of the Kentucky Derby, or a Vegas casino, or a police convention. And also of a lesser version of the brilliant "breakfast on the train" scene from the start of Fistful of Dynamite, aka Duck You Sucker.

    I really wanted to like it, but it was a bit slow for my tastes, and the story just wasn't there. I think the main problems for me were that the characters weren't likeable enough. And the bleakness of the story, and the mood of the characters worked against the comedy. With that being said the dialogue was very well done. There were memorable lines.

    This may be the only movie I've seen use a live track on their soundtrack, the crowd noises confused me for a second. That was a weird choice, but I give him credit for trying. All along the Watchtower played for an unusually long time as well.

    I was born in Britain so I'm familiar with the British comedy style, but I find, if you haven't watched it in a while it can take some getting used to, before you start laughing again. It can be pretty different from the American comedy style.

    I didn't know the movie was autobiographical until I read the OP... at least now I don't feel bad for wondering what the point of it all was, ha.
     

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