Sherdog PC Build/Buy Thread, v6: My Power Supply Burned Down My House

Don't have time for a custom build. Is there a prebuilt PC I can get for less than 2000 that is VR ready,with a top of the line sound card, and can run anything I want really well?
 
Don't have time for a custom build. Is there a prebuilt PC I can get for less than 2000 that is VR ready,with a top of the line sound card, and can run anything I want really well?

Acer has some solid models lately imo.
1070 plus i7 16gb 512 SSD and 2TB for under 2000
 
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Acer has some solid models lately imo.
1070 plus i7 16gb 512 SSD and 2TB for under 2000

What sort of performance sound/video/speed can I expect at that price point? Would you say that is the right amount of money to spend to achieve a immersive experience?
 
@Madmick is micro center an option?
http://www.microcenter.com/product/...ler,_ASRock_AB350_Pro4_CPU-Motherboard_Bundle

Google express is having a first time buyers discount you may want to look into. I haven’t dug into the specifics though.
It's a possibility because there is a center in Sactown, so I saw this sale and was considering it. This one looked more attractive if I went this route:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/...th,_ASUS_Prime_B350M-E_CPU-Motherboard_Bundle
*Edit* Upon closer inspection, it appears that the only qualifying location for these deals is in Tustin near Los Angeles, so these are definitely out.

Anyone got any RX 580 8GB jujitsu?
 
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Having an issue with my Intel NUC i5.
For some reason, the windows 10 April Update doesn't play well
with Intel and Toshiba SSD's.
I thought it was broke, now I can wait for a patch.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...dows-10-april-2018-update-to-some-intel-ssds/

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-10-update-intel-ssd,37020.html
They fucked up so many machines with that update.

@Murlik
I might steer him towards a better GPU, Joe. GTX 1070 can barely hold on in VR, and it sits in a limbo world between the GTX 1060 6GB (which is perfect for 1080p) and the GTX 1070 Ti or GTX 1080 (which are perfect for 1440p & Ultrawides).

$1999
https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC...8&qid=1526859474&sr=1-2&keywords=cyberpowerpc
  • i7-8700K w/Liquid Cooling & Z370 Motherboard (built for overclocking)
  • GTX 1080 Ti
  • 16GB DDR4-2400 RAM
  • 240GB SSD
  • 1TB HDD
  • Red LED MidATX Case
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • CPPC Gaming Keyboard + Mouse
That's out of stock right now, but that might not be a bad thing because there's a possibility of a price drop with a restock (if there is a restock of this specific unit). They literally just dropped the #1 bestselling gaming pre-build on Amazon (from $799 to $749) in the past 24 hours. This was a build I had just presented in the "Why is it a bad time to build?" thread. Due to the crash in GPU prices we've seen in May the AIO market has had to adjust.


$1599
Right now this CPPC GTX 1070 Ti build is the bestselling tower north of $1.5K:
https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-i7...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7YTKAH76T6GJPM022VYH
  • i7-8700K w/Liquid Cooling (not built for overclocking)
  • GTX 1070 Ti
  • 16GB DDR4-2400 RAM
  • 240GB SSD
  • 1TB HDD
  • 802.11ac WiFi
  • RGB MidATX Case
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • CPPC Gaming Keyboard + Mouse

$1699

Its direct competitor is this Alienware tower which isn't far behind on the sales charts, and I must admit is pretty sexy. This one doesn't have an SSD, but it's using 32GB of Intel Optane memory functioning as effective SSD cache for the HDD instead (like a hybrid drive, but with 4x the normal amount of SSD cache):
https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-De...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7YTKAH76T6GJPM022VYH
  • i7-8700
  • GTX 1080
  • 16GB DDR4-2666 RAM
  • 2TB HDD w/32GB Intel Optane
  • DVD-RW
  • WiFi
  • Alienware MidATX Tower
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit
 
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They fucked up so many machines with that update.

@Murlik
I might steer him towards a better GPU, Joe. GTX 1070 can barely hold on in VR, and it sits in a limbo world between the GTX 1060 6GB (which is perfect for 1080p) and the GTX 1070 Ti or GTX 1080 (which are perfect for 1440p & Ultrawides).

$1999
https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC...8&qid=1526859474&sr=1-2&keywords=cyberpowerpc
  • i7-8700K w/Liquid Cooling & Z370 Motherboard (built for overclocking)
  • GTX 1080 Ti
  • 16GB DDR4-2400 RAM
  • 240GB SSD
  • 1TB HDD
  • Red LED MidATX Case
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • CPPC Gaming Keyboard + Mouse
That's out of stock right now, but that might not be a bad thing because there's a possibility of a price drop with a restock (if there is a restock of this specific unit). They literally just dropped the #1 bestselling gaming pre-build on Amazon (from $799 to $749) in the past 24 hours. This was a build I had just presented in the "Why is a bad time to build?" thread. Due to the crash in GPU prices we've seen over the past month the AIO market has had to adjust.


$1599
Right now this CPPC GTX 1070 Ti build is the bestselling tower north of $1.5K:
https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-i7...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7YTKAH76T6GJPM022VYH
  • i7-8700K w/Liquid Cooling (not built for overclocking)
  • GTX 1070 Ti
  • 16GB DDR4-2400 RAM
  • 240GB SSD
  • 1TB HDD
  • RGB MidATX Case
  • 802.11ac WiFi
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • CPPC Gaming Keyboard + Mouse

$1699

Its direct competitor is this Alienware tower which isn't far behind on the sales charts, and I must admit is pretty sexy. This one doesn't have an SSD, but it's using 32GB of Intel Optane memory functioning as effective SSD cache for the HDD instead (like a hybrid drive, but with 4x the normal amount of SSD cache). Note that this is the slightly superior and newer GDDR5X version-- not GDDR5-- of the GTX 1080 card:
https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-De...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7YTKAH76T6GJPM022VYH
  • i7-8700
  • GTX 1080
  • 16GB DDR4-2666 RAM
  • 2TB HDD w/32GB Intel Optane
  • DVD-RW
  • WiFi
  • Alienware MidATX Tower
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit

This is awesome! Thanks @Madmick. In addition to playing games I also do want to watch movies and listen to music on surround sound in high quality. Will the sound card and video cards of these setups be adequate to do so? Or should I consider spending more money to truly achieve a powerhouse gaming/movie/music media hub for my home?
 
This is awesome! Thanks @Madmick. In addition to playing games I also do want to watch movies and listen to music on surround sound in high quality. Will the sound card and video cards of these setups be adequate to do so? Or should I consider spending more money to truly achieve a powerhouse gaming/movie/music media hub for my home?
Generally speaking, all of these are perfectly adequate to run 7.1 surround sound setups. At a minimum the motherboards will have the Realtek ALC882 with all the necessary inputs:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/...id=1&PNid=24&PFid=28&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=43

Nevertheless, if you want a truly audiophile setup, you'll likely end up with an external receiver somewhere in the mix, anyway, so you won't need a better sound card, but if the receiver isn't included in a set purchase, and you don't buy one separately, you could easily upgrade to a Creative or Xonar sound card with a much better signal-to-noise ratio for output to your speakers and subwoofer at a later time. It's as easy as plugging in new RAM. There are also external DACs. That isn't something you have to sort out now.
 
I have a PC on a TV and that TV has a native resolution of 1300 X something, so not full HD.
Does that mean you can´t play games in 1920X1080 ? What does native mean ?
I bought GTA SA last week and it played good on 1920X1080
I sometimes hear the term interlaced in these conversations.
Who knows more about this ?
 
I have a PC on a TV and that TV has a native resolution of 1300 X something, so not full HD.
Does that mean you can´t play games in 1920X1080 ? What does native mean ?
I bought GTA SA last week and it played good on 1920X1080
I sometimes hear the term interlaced in these conversations.
Who knows more about this ?
"Interlaced" is a term for an antiquated technology of frame refreshment. It was replaced by "Progressive" which is "p" at the end of 1080p, for example.



1300X is 1300x700. What is the specific TV model?
 
I need help improving my $850 gaming desktop with the following criteria:
  • CPU
    • minimum: R5-1200 or i5-7400 level of performance (note: i3-8100 > i5-7400)
    • If Intel CPU w/Turbo Boost of 4.0+ GHz, then a CPU cooler equivalent of the Cooler Master Hyper T2 (or better) to replace stock should be included
    • Both OC and Non-OC builds are valid; whatever extracts more performance within budget (ex. this is where the R5-1600 on cheap motherboards with the stock Wraith Spire shines)
  • Motherboard
  • GPU
    • minimum: RX 480 4GB or GTX 1060 3GB level of performance
    • I respect the special value added by 8-pin power connector variants of the GTX 1060 cards if within budget, especially if the premium is low enough that a guaranteed overclock would enhance actual value
    • AMD cards are strongly preferred for Freesync capability
  • RAM
    • minimum: 16GB DDR4
    • optimal: 4 slots; DDR4-3200 CAS16 or DDR4-3000 CAS15 level of performance (or better)
  • Drives
    • minimum: 240GB SSD for OS
    • minimum: 1TB 7200RPM+ HDD (3TB tends to win on value right now)
  • PSU
    • minimum: 550W, 80+ Bronze (or better), Semi-Modular (or better)
  • Case
    • Let's set the Cooler Master N200 as a spiritual minimum to avoid the shitboxes (i.e. no pre-installed fans, crap front port panel, zero airflow or noise dampening, cramped and incapable of housing any CPU cooling, or barely any drives, etc.)
  • Misc
    • Sacramento, CA is destination if you want to set a zip code for automatic shipping/tax considerations
    • No OS, WiFi, optical drive, or KB+M is required.
    • Rebate value is recognized, but not as much as up-front savings

The reason this is so challenging is because I really want to put together a Freesync build, obviously, but the AMD RX 580 4GB cards are starkly overpriced compared to the GTX 1060 3GB cards right now, and the 8GB entry is running ~$330 which effectively breaks this budget unless I: (a) go with an R3-1200 or i3-8100, (b) sacrifice/nerf drives, or (c) troll myself with cute PSU/Case substitutes. I don't really want to do any of those things, but I've peeled through /buildapcsales, Slickdeals, Jet, Techbargains, eBay, and a few others because I was really hoping to see some better prices on an RX 480 8GB or RX 580 8GB below $330, but I didn't see anything.

The need for Displayport connectivity in addition to HDMI also wipes the entire economy class of AMD motherboards off the table, too, with the sole exception of the ASRock A320M, requiring another ~$40 invested there with R5-1600 builds. I think this is where I might be overlooking some of the best values though because a lot of the best deals I've seen have been CPU + Motherboard and Motherboard + RAM sale combos.

GTX 1060 3GB Build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($175.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.51 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($46.21 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.48 @ Newegg)
Other: Team Group L5 LITE 2.5" 240GB SATA III 2D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) T2535T240G0C101 ($49.99)
Other: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING 1.51GHz, 03G-P4-5160-RX, 3GB GDDR5 ($199.99)
Other: Patriot Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Desktop Memory Model (Coupon Code: APPSPECIAL) ($124.99)
Total: $783.85*
*$768.85 when rebates applied
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-20 05:36 EDT-0400


There is considerable headroom there, but not much to be done with it in that budget.
-- the most pressing upgrade is to reject the Fry sale on the RAM and get the G. Skill DDR4-3200MHz CAS16 sticks for $165 (+$40); more critical for Ryzen CPU builds than Intel builds.
-- otherwise, the most serious upgrade option would be conversion to an i5-8600K (+$62), without ambitions of overclocking, since that would incur an additional ~$50 Z370 motherboard premium, but it would still be worth it for the Turbo alone; there happens to be a $16 sale on the Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED running, so this just about works.
-- alternatively, it's $100 more for the EVGA GTX 1060 6GB, also slightly exceeding budget, but for the most significant upgrade to raw gaming power.
-- I'm not too hung up on the overages since I have $15 in the rebate tank, and because I could knock $15 off the PSU, $10 off the motherboard, and $15 off the case within criteria if necessary, but I like these choices because the market clearly regards this $40 as unworthy & unvaluable savings.


I'm really depressed that this is likely my best option. I want that Freesync like Rick wants his Szechuan Sauce. What's the best anyone can do on an R5-1600 Freesync build with an RX 480 8GB or RX 580 8GB that meets my criteria?

Well if you can live with a 2 Dimm kit of RAM, a 120 GB SSD and only a 1 TB HDD you can get pretty close with a RX 580.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($175.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($155.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.99 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card ($304.18 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $863.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-21 23:35 EDT-0400
 
Well if you can live with a 2 Dimm kit of RAM, a 120 GB SSD and only a 1 TB HDD you can get pretty close with a RX 580.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($175.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($155.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.99 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card ($304.18 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $863.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-21 23:35 EDT-0400
I easily could have made those substitutions myself. I set my criteria for a reason.

I'm looking for deals. That Gigabyte RX 580 8GB looks like it was an incredibly short-lived chance assuming that included tax and shipping. I'm still seeing $335 from NewEgg Business as the best all-included price for that card when I follow the link.
Are you willing to go used?
No. Open-Box at worst. I'm also avoiding refurbs.


*Edit*
Ha! So early this morning I see a Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB brand new (in shrink-wrap) pop up for $98.60 on eBay, and also an XFX RX 580 8GB in the same condition for $126.90. Both from the same seller who has 100% positive reviews with 185 sales and a membership dating to 2004. I immediately assume it isn't legit: a hack or whatever. But I check out the seller's page. It's a black chick whose pic definitely doesn't scream tech-savvy. I think, "Could this girl just not realize what she has?" It's almost immediately taken down. So probably not legit, and now I get to feel both racist and sexist. Yay bargain-hunting.
 
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I'm looking for deals. That Gigabyte RX 580 8GB looks like it was an incredibly short-lived chance assuming that included tax and shipping. I'm still seeing $335 from NewEgg Business as the best all-included price for that card when I follow the link.

Right now it looks like $319 from both Amazon and Newegg.
 
I easily could have made those substitutions myself. I set my criteria for a reason.

I'm looking for deals. That Gigabyte RX 580 8GB looks like it was an incredibly short-lived chance assuming that included tax and shipping. I'm still seeing $335 from NewEgg Business as the best all-included price for that card when I follow the link.

No. Open-Box at worst. I'm also avoiding refurbs.


*Edit*
Ha! So early this morning I see a Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB brand new (in shrink-wrap) pop up for $98.60 on eBay, and also an XFX RX 580 8GB in the same condition for $126.90. Both from the same seller who has 100% positive reviews with 185 sales and a membership dating to 2004. I immediately assume it isn't legit: a hack or whatever. But I check out the seller's page. It's a black chick whose pic definitely doesn't scream tech-savvy. I think, "Could this girl just not realize what she has?" It's almost immediately taken down. So probably not legit, and now I get to feel both racist and sexist. Yay bargain-hunting.
If you change your mind about used I have an i5-7400 and h110 board I’d sell dirt cheap.
 
Since we're talking monitors. I heard that that connecting a 100hz tv to PC HDMI
actually is counterproductive for your framerate in gaming. Anyone heard about this ?
 
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