since ben askren talks alot of s---- about ufc fighters lately, watch this fight

[tdluxon]

Askren needs to either join the UFC or stop talking. His record doesn't match his talking. He might be as good as he says he is, he might not be. Only way to find out is him joining the UFC (Dana is a fool for not signing him, he needs to get over his ego).

On the other hand just talking is cheap and risk-free. There are always going to be suckers out there just taking his word and believing he would walk over Khabib, beat GSP and be easily a Top WW, without him actually having to do it.

If he isn't gonna fight, and fight legitimate competition then he needs to quietly wander off into the sunset. If he's gonna talk big, he needs to fight big, he's trying to have the best of both

 

[ChucksGlassJaw]

THis meme needs to die already

Maybe you just like stand & brawl and that's okay, but may I suggest muay thai or kickboxing instead of MMA?

He's sloppily finishing the sister's of the poor? I mean, that's all he can do, but I certainly don't want to watch it.

 

[blaseblah]

Even when fighting nobodies he still insisted on grapple fucking his opponents, which isnt what the UFC wanted to see from him. He could have done what was required to get into the UFC, he juts fucked it up royally.

He has finished 7/8 of his last 8 wins. He has not been boring to watch for a long time.

 

[adifighter86]

Luis Santos will knock him out if only a rematch happens.

 

[WinZip]

A scorecard with two 48-47's is losing badly?

The judges said Machida beat Shogun, too. Doesn't make them right.

If you watch the fight instead of looking at Wikipedia, you'd see it was pretty one-sided.

 

[Pakman]

He never proved himself against top WW's. That's a fact

Lima and korsehkov are top WWs. That is a fact.

 

[Pakman]

It also lends zero credibility to him either.

The biggest problem I have with the guy is that he had no clue how to play the game. He's always badmouthing Dana, rather than letting someone else do the negotiating in private. Even when fighting nobodies he still insisted on grapple fucking his opponents, which isnt what the UFC wanted to see from him. He could have done what was required to get into the UFC, he juts fucked it up royally.


He'd have probably made it into the top 5 with the right opponents.

Go watch some interviews as to why he badmouths Dana and you'd understand.

Luckily Askren is smart enough to have made a better career out of MMA than most UFC fighters ever will and he got out with his brain intact.

 

[NoAbsolutes]

Askren is and has always been a good fighter, he's never been nor will he ever be a great fighter. You're acting like he sucks though so this thread is ridiculous.

 

[MRT]

It’s the best example he can provide to illustrate his point. Why would he pick a lesser example? That doesn’t make sense.

because when you are talking about someone who is undefeated in 19 professional fights, and you pick only one of those fights, while ignoring the others, in order to make a general comment, the likelihood of misrepresentation is rather high

imagine if someone were to cherry pick GSP's first fight with Matt Serra to make an overall comment that 'GSP has terrible striking defense and folds when he encounters adversity'. When you consider GSP's body of work, that is clearly a misrepresentation.

it is far more logical to argue the Santos fight is not representational of Askren's abilities or status in the sport, given his body of work, than to label him an 'overrated joke' because of it.

 

[MRT]

I won't argue with much of what you wrote, but Lima is vastly improved since then. I would pick Lima in a rematch.

Also I don't think I would place Koreshkov in the UFC top 10, and his fight with Askren was 5 years ago when he was 22 and Askren was 29.

you could very well be right (and I would love to see Lima in the UFC)...but how they 'might' fare in a rematch should still take a back seat to Askren actually holding a win against both of them.

my overall point is that Askren's pedigree and MMA record puts him well above most people who get a shot in the UFC. He didn't deserve an immediate shot at GSP (not even close), but he certainly is worthy of a roster spot...and he is far from the 'overrated joke' that TS labelled him.

 

[Human Bass]

Btw, that fight was supposed to go 5 rounds and Askren was starting to dominate and Santos seemed to gas before the interruption.

 

[Human Bass]

And let's remember that Tyron Woodley chosed Askren as his main training patner to prepare for Maia.

 

[ineverpost]

There are olympic medalists that have competed and still compete in the UFC, and even they lose fights sometimes. Askren's wrestling combined with the rest of his non existent game would not make him a world beater in the UFC. He is a plodding smothering machine. Someone would knock him out

 

[mma_genius]

you could very well be right (and I would love to see Lima in the UFC)...but how they 'might' fare in a rematch should still take a back seat to Askren actually holding a win against both of them.

my overall point is that Askren's pedigree and MMA record puts him well above most people who get a shot in the UFC. He didn't deserve an immediate shot at GSP (not even close), but he certainly is worthy of a roster spot...and he is far from the 'overrated joke' that TS labelled him.

Well, its nobody's fault really but Askren's. I guess he is making his money can crushing.

Askren is for sure a bad dude. Shit, he owns the record for Division I pins I think. He could certainly wrestlefuck a number of dudes in the UFC.

That being said, iron sharpens iron. I'd wager Askren's development has stalled since he ran off to Asia. I don't think he would be top 5 in the UFC these days, but who knows.

I don't think he would beat Woodley, Colby, Lawler or Maia.

I think he could possibly beat Wonderboy, RDA, Till, Usman and Magny.

 

[Cooliox]

he wasnt able to take down this "no name" so the "incredible" ben askren went to a nasty eye poke trap to take him down because of his frustration. luis santos defensive wrestling frustrated ben askren and askren went to a nasty eye poke with his thumb.... ben askren literally lost this fight, he looked very bad, but they made it a no contest after that eye poke... ben askren refused a rematch.

that guy is a overrated joke himself that tries to talk himself bigger than he is.

I agree. That's why we should stop posting about him in the heavies

He keeps talking shit about the UFC and UFC fighters to get headlines... we need to stop enabling him

 

[Mamou]

The judges said Machida beat Shogun, too. Doesn't make them right.

If you watch the fight instead of looking at Wikipedia, you'd see it was pretty one-sided.

Watched it and it wasn't domination. GSP clearly won, but to act like he dominated Shields is ridiculous. He dominated Fitch and Hardy, not Shields.

And to your Shogun/Machida point, it does make the judges right because their scores for the fight are the only scores that matter.

 

[fearoth]

Luis Santos will knock him out if only a rematch happens.

Or he will gas out after 3 minutes and then Askren makes him look like a white belt.

 

[MRT]

Well, its nobody's fault really but Askren's. I guess he is making his money can crushing.

Askren is for sure a bad dude. Shit, he owns the record for Division I pins I think. He could certainly wrestlefuck a number of dudes in the UFC.

That being said, iron sharpens iron. I'd wager Askren's development has stalled since he ran off to Asia. I don't think he would be top 5 in the UFC these days, but who knows.

I don't think he would beat Woodley, Colby, Lawler or Maia.

I think he could possibly beat Wonderboy, RDA, Till, Usman and Magny.

I don't know if I agree with those predictions, but this is exactly why we need to see these fights...it really sucks to be left wondering what might have been, how guys might have matched up, etc.

I'm not sure how much I buy into the idea that competing overseas lessens his ability to succeed in the UFC. Askren has been a training partner of Woodley for quite a while, hasn't he? it isn't like he hasn't been around elite MMA guys for a long time. I know, there is no substitute for fighting a-level guys, but I still think he gives pretty much anyone in the WW division major problems. Being an elite specialist hasn't stopped guys like Maia or Thompson from rising to the top of the division...I think Askren could have achieved similar success. maybe he doesn't become champ or beat everyone, but that is not the standard that fighters are held when given a UFC roster spot.

Askren's appearance on Rogan's show is worth watching for anyone who hasn't seen it. It seems that he did make the effort to do what the UFC wanted, in order for him to get a shot...but it sounds like he still got the shaft. who knows what really happened though.

I agree that he definitely hasn't helped his cause though. I don't think periodically ripping Dana, calling him petty, a liar, and a 'bald-headed fat man', is the best way to get into the UFC lol

 

[FrodoFraggins]

Go watch some interviews as to why he badmouths Dana and you'd understand.

Luckily Askren is smart enough to have made a better career out of MMA than most UFC fighters ever will and he got out with his brain intact.

I know he says that he asked bellator to let him go for a long time and that he was told the UFC had interest in him. But there are key pieces that he either doesnt reveal or know the explanations for.

 

[WinZip]

Watched it and it wasn't domination. GSP clearly won, but to act like he dominated Shields is ridiculous. He dominated Fitch and Hardy, not Shields.

It was a dominant performance and it was one-sided.

And to your Shogun/Machida point, it does make the judges right because their scores for the fight are the only scores that matter.

Yes, the judges score the fight. Congrats on figuring that out.

That doesn't mean they score it correctly.

Are you high or...?