Size of TVs for console gaming - How big is too big?

[Madmick]

I currently own 2 big screen TV's I've played games on and have been decently up to date on research as of december of this year cause I was thinking about buying another one. IMO unless you are competitive gaming the differences in most tv's on game mode is pretty non-noticeable. I have a 60 inch sony 1080p tv I mostly console game on and the latency is not noticeable for normal gaming. I don't mean that in a "just don't pay attention" kind of way but I think the MS is right at 20 input latency. I also have a 75 inch high end sony 4k tv and a 2k Gsync monitor in the same room. I have held 4 events at my house where all of these devices have been in use at this point between souls based games and monster hunter world and I honestly don't notice the difference.

I think that a lot of big screen tv companies have become aware that people are gamers and when they don't lock you out of dropping post processing most tv's have a very good response time even into the massive tv sizes nowadays.

To put this into perspective a friend of mine had a name brand "big screen" that was only 50 inches from 10 years ago and the response time was absolutely 100% noticeable. We'd both push a button at the same time and one person would be starting an action while another was close to finishing it on a souls type game. It was ridiculously bad.

I know for a fact that these product lines have great response times: Basically any sony, samsung 8000 series, and vizio M series. I can't comment on LG too much though. Personally dollar for dollar vizio M series perform really well when your primary focus is gaming. It isn't their bargain line of TV's, they are backlit which is really nice, and their response times are usually tops for gaming. I'm personally a sony fan but at this point I think it's more nostalgia. There was a period of time where Sony was the only brand that really didn't lock you out of completely turning off post processing so it was the obvious best brand of TV for gaming but everyone else has caught up over the last 6-7 years it seems.

The obvious choices are the sony xbr65x850e the sony xbr65x900e and the LG C7 OLED. Those are all good tvs.

The best 4k picture will be on the c7 OLED.

rtings had the c7 as the best TV of 2017 as well.

Different brands have different upscaling quality as well, but Ive heard good things about Sonys upscaling.

Burn in is not an issue on the c7, and I havent heard of anyone complaining about it.

OLED pixels can light up individually as well for more realistic lighting and perfect blacks.

The 850e has about 450 nits peak brigtness and the 900e is about 900 nits, so its much brighter.

The c7 has a better perceived brightness than both because of the darker blacks.

The c7 was rated the best gaming tv because of its low input lag, better viewing angles and overall better picture.

I have the C7, its worth it.

The sony 900e is a step down from the c7 and the 850e is a step down from the 900e.

If you can afford a c7 get it.

55 65 or 75 none are too big



http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/buying-a-new-tv-has-become-incredibly-complex.3593749/

I gotta say the Sony 2017 "850E" model is standing out to me right now as the best value among all potential gaming UHDTV purchases:

Sony XBR75X850E 75-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2017 Model)

$2k flat for a $75" LED gaming-responsive 120Hz HDR Smart TV. It's only $1100 for the 65" version. Obviously the great low-end budget attraction is the TCL S405 55" for $400.

Here are the 4K TVs Rtings spit out which should be strong for gaming. The premium standouts are the LG B7, C7, E7 series and the Sony A1E series. The Sony X900F barely missed. The Sony X900E and Vizio P were the best midrange series:

• LG B7A (55", 65")
• LG C7 (55", 65")
• LG E7P (55", 65")
• LG SJ8500 (55", 65")
• LG SJ9500 (65")
• Samsung MU8000 (49", 55", 65", 75", 82")
• Samsung MU9000 (55", 65", 75")
• Samsung NU8000 (49", 55", 65", 75", 82")
• Samsung Q8C (55", 65", 75")
• Samsung Q7F (55", 65", 75")
• Samsung Q9F (65", 75")
• Sony A1E (55", 65", 77")
• Sony X850E (65", 75")
• Sony X850F (65", 75", 85")
• Sony X900E (49", 55", 65", 75")
• Sony X900F (49", 55", 65", 75", 85")
• Sony X930E (55", 65")
• TCL P607 (55")
• TCL S405 (43", 49", 55", 65")
• Vizio P (55", 65", 75")
• Vizio M (50", 55", 66", 70", 75")

Current prices among most desirable sets and standout values:

• $350 = TCL 49S405 (49")
• $400 = TCL 55S405 (55")
• $650 = TCL P607 (55")
• $840 = TCL 65S405 (65")
• $1,100 = Sony XBR65X850E (65")
• $1,600 = LG OLED55B7A (55")
• $1,700 = LG OLED55C7P (55")
• $1,750 = Vizio M M75-E0 (75")
• $2,000 = Sony XBR75X850E (75")
• $2,200 = Sony XBR65X900F (65')
• $2,500 = LG OLED65B7A (65")
• $2,600 = LG OLED65C7P (65")
• $3,250 = Samsung UN82MU8000 (82")
• $3,500 = Sony XBR65A1E (65")
• $3,800 = Sony XBR75X900F (75")
• $4,500 = Sony XBR85X850F (85")

 

[SeefourDC]

I gotta say the Sony 2017 "850E" model is standing out to me right now as the best value among all potential gaming UHDTV purchases:
Sony XBR75X850E 75-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2017 Model)

$2k flat for a $75" LED gaming-responsive 120Hz HDR Smart TV. It's only $1100 for the 65" version.

I basically own the last version of that TV before that line went 4k. Very good line of TV's every generation.

 

[jefferz]

I gotta say the Sony 2017 "850E" model is standing out to me right now as the best value among all potential gaming UHDTV purchases:

Sony XBR75X850E 75-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2017 Model)

$2k flat for a $75" LED gaming-responsive 120Hz HDR Smart TV. It's only $1100 for the 65" version. Obviously the great low-end budget attraction is the TCL S405 55" for $400.

Here are the 4K TVs Rtings spit out which should be strong for gaming. The premium standouts are the LG B7, C7, E7 series and the Sony A1E series. The Sony X900E and Vizio P were the best midrange series:

• LG B7A (55", 65")
• LG C7 (55", 65")
• LG E7P (55", 65")
• LG SJ8500 (55", 65")
• LG SJ9500 (65")
• Samsung MU8000 (49", 55", 65", 75", 82")
• Samsung MU9000 (55", 65", 75")
• Samsung NU8000 (49", 55", 65", 75", 82")
• Samsung Q8C (55", 65", 75")
• Samsung Q7F (55", 65", 75")
• Samsung Q9F (65", 75")
• Sony A1E (55", 65", 77")
• Sony X850E (65", 75")
• Sony X850F (65", 75", 85")
• Sony X900E (49", 55", 65", 75")
• Sony X900F (49", 55", 65", 75", 85")
• Sony X930E (55", 65")
• Sony Z9D (65", 75")
• TCL P607 (55")
• TCL S405 (43", 49", 55", 65")
• Vizio P (55", 65", 75")
• Vizio M (50", 55", 66", 70", 75")

Current prices among most desirable sets and standout values:

• $350 = TCL 49S405 (49")
• $400 = TCL 55S405 (55")
• $650 = TCL P607 (55")
• $840 = TCL 65S405 (65")
• $1,100 = Sony XBR65X850E (65")
• $1,600 = LG OLED55B7A (55")
• $1,700 = LG OLED55C7P (55")
• $1,750 = Vizio M M75-E0 (75")
• $2,000 = Sony XBR75X850E (75")
• $2,500 = LG OLED65B7A (65")
• $2,600 = LG OLED65C7P (65")
• $3,250 = Samsung UN82MU8000 (82")
• $3,500 = Sony XBR65A1E (65")
• $4,500 = Sony XBR85X850F (85")

Is that TV true 120hz?

 

[KidBaize]

I sit about 10 feet away from a 55" Vizio P UHD. I've got my PS3, PS4 Pro and gaming PC hooked up to it. No issues or complaints but I could easily handle a bit bigger screen.

 

[trayrodriguez]

I got a 70 inch and my ps4 looks great on it

 

[Madmick]

Is that TV true 120hz?

I don't know. I didn't check. Considering the state of SLI/Crossfire support in 2018 and the fact it's 4K I didn't really see the point.

*Edit*
It does, in fact, and it has an excellent average input lag @1080 when activated: 17.0ms.

 

[Treeloy]

I don't know. I didn't check. Considering the state of SLI/Crossfire support in 2018 and the fact it's 4K I didn't really see the point.

*Edit*
It does, in fact, and it has an excellent average input lag @1080 when activated: 17.0ms.

The 850e is a nice TV and yeah its good for the price. I spent a decent amount of time looking at the picture quality in the store, reading reviews, and compared to other models in the same price range I thought it was the best option.

 

[Fijeeto]

I prefer gaming on my 23 inch monitor due to the input lag on my 55 inch tv. The response time on the monitor is 5 ms vs 100+ ms on my tv.

 

[cabear]

I prefer gaming on my 23 inch monitor due to the input lag on my 55 inch tv. The response time on the monitor is 5 ms vs 100+ ms on my tv.

i really saw improvements in bf1 when using my 23 inch monitor vs my 50inch led.

 

[UL]

depends on the size of your room

unless you want to go blind

i got a 55inch

and it's perfect

 

[Blayt7hh]

The obvious choices are the sony xbr65x850e the sony xbr65x900e and the LG C7 OLED. Those are all good tvs.

The best 4k picture will be on the c7 OLED.

rtings had the c7 as the best TV of 2017 as well.

Different brands have different upscaling quality as well, but Ive heard good things about Sonys upscaling.

Burn in is not an issue on the c7, and I havent heard of anyone complaining about it.

OLED pixels can light up individually as well for more realistic lighting and perfect blacks.

The 850e has about 450 nits peak brigtness and the 900e is about 900 nits, so its much brighter.

The c7 has a better perceived brightness than both because of the darker blacks.

The c7 was rated the best gaming tv because of its low input lag, better viewing angles and overall better picture.

I have the C7, its worth it.

The sony 900e is a step down from the c7 and the 850e is a step down from the 900e.

If you can afford a c7 get it.

55 65 or 75 none are too big



http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/buying-a-new-tv-has-become-incredibly-complex.3593749/

I have a 55 inch LG OLED, the B6 or B7. Absolutely amazing TV. I went from a 50 inch 1080 plasma screen that I felt was already better than most TVs, but OLED is a big difference. Maybe not such a big difference that if you already have a nice TV you should run out an upgrade. Definitely a big enough difference though that if you are in the market for a new TV, it is easily worth the premium

As for the response time, I haven't noticed any issues TS.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Wanted different opinions on this, because I've played a PS3 on a 40" Samsung I bought in 2011.

I'm going to be buying a PS4 and a BIG TV in late 2019, but I'm cautious of how big would be too big for console gaming.

60" ???
70" ???

I've seen some Samsungs that are 85". Jesus Christ.

And which is the best kind of screen for console gaming? UHDTV? QLED? OLED?

Is screen burn-in still a thing? How about screen-shadowing?

I bet @Madmick will be all over this.

https://displaylag.com/best-low-input-lag-tvs-gaming-by-gamers/

 

[xcvbn]

The obvious choices are the sony xbr65x850e the sony xbr65x900e and the LG C7 OLED. Those are all good tvs.

The best 4k picture will be on the c7 OLED.

rtings had the c7 as the best TV of 2017 as well.

Different brands have different upscaling quality as well, but Ive heard good things about Sonys upscaling.

Burn in is not an issue on the c7, and I havent heard of anyone complaining about it.

OLED pixels can light up individually as well for more realistic lighting and perfect blacks.

The 850e has about 450 nits peak brigtness and the 900e is about 900 nits, so its much brighter.

The c7 has a better perceived brightness than both because of the darker blacks.

The c7 was rated the best gaming tv because of its low input lag, better viewing angles and overall better picture.

I have the C7, its worth it.

The sony 900e is a step down from the c7 and the 850e is a step down from the 900e.

If you can afford a c7 get it.

55 65 or 75 none are too big



http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/buying-a-new-tv-has-become-incredibly-complex.3593749/

I have the 55" LG C6 and goddamn is it amazing. Mostly game on the PC but sitting 8' from my TV and it's really comfortable. 6' is too close, 10' too far.

 

[Madmick]

I have a 55 inch LG OLED, the B6 or B7. Absolutely amazing TV. I went from a 50 inch 1080 plasma screen that I felt was already better than most TVs, but OLED is a big difference. Maybe not such a big difference that if you already have a nice TV you should run out an upgrade. Definitely a big enough difference though that if you are in the market for a new TV, it is easily worth the premium

As for the response time, I haven't noticed any issues TS.

https://displaylag.com/best-low-input-lag-tvs-gaming-by-gamers/

Nice secondary source for streamlined recommendations. Not sure if you guys noticed, but just like with their headphone guide, the Rtings page actually contains a lot of raw information if you keep following the branching of the tests. You can already see the exact input lag (at the various resolutions and preset modes) for all the different TVs they reviewed. I noticed this when I ran through all the data the other day to assemble the list above:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

The LG B7A and LG C7 are identical TVs (the former has white trim along the edges-- this cosmetic difference the sole distinguishing feature). Along with the Sony A1E what really sets them apart is the response time. All of the LG OLED panels were averaging 1.6ms or less. They were the only TVs listed that, once set to 1080p where they can achieve 120Hz, also had an average response time below the threshold for that framerate to make sense. Not a single other 4K TV here could run that framerate without being expected to drop frames more than 50% of the time except for the Samsung Q7F, and sitting at an avg 8.1ms, you can reasonably expect it to drop frames consistently when it dips. In fact, nearly half the sets they evaluated can't even keep up with 60fps:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/motion-blur-and-response-time

Spoiler: Response Time Thresholds

• 1s / 60Hz = 16.6ms
• 1s / 100Hz = 10.0ms
• 1s / 120Hz = 8.3ms
• 1s / 144Hz = 6.9ms
• 1s / 240Hz = 4.2m

This is the single most critical overlooked statistic that can be extrapolated from that guide I've found.

When you factor in picture quality those LG OLED displays (C7, B7A, E7P) and the Sony A1E really do stand apart from all the other sets. The Sony X900F sits alone in Tier 2, and is the best option for guys who want to go above 65".

 

[RJ43]

I like TVs

 

[Mookie]

Can I just say something?

Anyone claiming they wouldn't want a bigger TV is a liar. The end. Everyone in this thread would trade their 55" for a 75" in a heart beat.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Can I just say something?

Anyone claiming they wouldn't want a bigger TV is a liar. The end. Everyone in this thread would trade their 55" for a 75" in a heart beat.

Honestly, for the vast majority of games, I agree.

But for a highly competitive FPS like Counterstrike and a few others, I'd prefer to play it on my laptop.

 

[Mookie]

Honestly, for the vast majority of games, I agree.

But for a highly competitive FPS like Counterstrike and a few others, I'd prefer to play it on my laptop.

I should have specified, sorry! I totally agree. I have a 32" 1440p that I use for competitive games like Dota 2, Diablo 3 (yes, it can be competitive) and FPS titles. But for most games? I play casually on the larger TV.

 

[The Audience]

For fps 24" is pretty much ideal & used in pro competitions last time i checked.

Re. Screen burn, i dont think thats really an issue nowadays with Led..was mostly a problem that affected plasma screens, which have become obsolete now

 

[Madmick]

For fps 24" is pretty much ideal & used in pro competitions last time i checked.

Re. Screen burn, i dont think thats really an issue nowadays with Led..was mostly a problem that affected plasma screens, which have become obsolete now

We're talking TVs, dude.