STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?


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I'll have to watch it again, but I don't remember being anything other than entertained for the duration of the movie. Even the slower stuff worked because they threw in some fun gags.

On second viewing, with expectations of mind blowing twists gone, I saw the movie more like you did. It was fairly entertaining. After 40 years of star wars, older fans wanted more mature depth, and they (I) wanted some completely next level stuff.. That did not happen. But on rewatch, the beings in the casino were somewhat interesting.. Even though the part was ultimately pointless.

Things that annoyed me the first time while I waited impatiently to have my mind blown, did not annoy me the second time. The FIRST time, they were amplified by the end result of not really having my mind blown. Lose that (unfortunately) unrealistic expectation of being floored by a reveal, and you start to see what the critics saw. The comparisons to Empire and 94% score were the enemies of this film.
 
Imo the Old Republic universe is far more interesting than the setting shown in the movies and I think Disney missed a big opportunity bringing it rather than the old big bad empire versus underdog rebels formula (which felt forced as hell the way it happened).

As for the movie itself, my daughter was entertained and that is good enough for me. I thought a bunch of things made 0 sense but Star Wars was never about that anyway. I enjoyed Snoke's death and Luke making a huge fool of Kylo Ren was very satisfying imo.

Also, lol at people whining about women getting important roles. Are you guys afraid of cooties or something?
 
There seems to be some sort of idiotic notion that you can only do one or the other..you need to either appeal to the lowest common denominator, or be overly complex.
You can make an interesting, deep story, and still appeal to a wide audience.
Cartoons do it all the time.

But yea, it feels like they WANT to make everything as simple as possible.
It's surprising and depressing how many people are happy with what they're getting these days

They should have learned something from the Prometheus reaction. PEOPLE WANTED THE DEPTH THE STORY COULD HAVE PROVIDED, NOT JUST DEATH SCENES WITH ALIENS. I capitalize that like a simpleton, because the message was loud, clear, and simple to the makers of that movie, but somehow they still did not hear or understand.
 
I think Poe is much more than Wedge 2.0. The idea of grooming Poe to lead the resistance is one of the more compelling storylines in this new trilogy, IMO.

He's wedge 2.0, with a dash of Han. Hes invincible, does impossible shit with an X wing, and breaks the rules.
 
I'm reading some of you guys being super upset about the movie and calling it bad.

But like, you have to remember the key to Star Wars: Fun. None of the Star Wars movies had big, complex, Oscar-worthy stories. They were built on familiar stories in a new setting. Unfortunately, that setting isn't new anymore. But the movies are still super fun. I laughed at the jokes, was impressed with the effects, and had some emotional moments in the theater.
The movies don't need to be big, complex, Oscar-worthy stories. ..they just need to not suck, and make sense. The problem with this movie wasn't that it was "too simple".
A lot of what was given in this movie just either wasted time, or wasted opportunity. There shouldn't be any filler in a movie like this. And I don't think anyone was looking for crazy twists and turns...just a cohesive story.
There was nothing cohesive about this movie.
 
Also, lol at people whining about women getting important roles. Are you guys afraid of cooties or something?

Nobody reasonable is mad at women being given roles, or major roles, for that matter. But when its so forced?

Head A wing Pilot - woman
Bomber who destroyed the dreadnaught - woman
Plot spackle character who figured out how the first order tracked them - woman
Next in command who went from audience perceived coward/idiot to "hero"- pink haired woman

The Leia scene was silly but im fine with that. I like Rey, but think she is underutilized plot-wise, but stupidly overpowered when she is used.
 
Why are there never any cool aliens? Have there ever been any?
All of the aliens just seem to be comedy relief.
Chewbacca is the closest thing to an actual character.
It's kind of bizarre that it's pretty much always been just humans as the main characters.

I also just remembered something from the pointless Casino mission.
When Finn and Rose were trying to escape. ..if they had succeeded then they would have been leaving empty-handed. They came for the codebreaker, and they didn't get him. He ended up getting them.

Lol and how fucking lazy and terrible is the writing?
The rebels big problem is running out of gas...?
And Finn and Rose get arrested because they parked in a "no parking zone"?
Lol whose fucking ideas were these?
 
I know a lot of people are talking shit about Leia floating through space but that's actually very plausible especially with the power of the force. You can survive in space about 15 seconds without a space suit. Now they stretched it to about 30 secs but still I really had no issue with that scene.

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I'm reading some of you guys being super upset about the movie and calling it bad.

But like, you have to remember the key to Star Wars: Fun. None of the Star Wars movies had big, complex, Oscar-worthy stories. They were built on familiar stories in a new setting. Unfortunately, that setting isn't new anymore. But the movies are still super fun. I laughed at the jokes, was impressed with the effects, and had some emotional moments in the theater.

It was fun, they just shouldn't have had big build ups for let downs. They built up Snoke, they built up Rey's parents, they built up Luke like there were going to be big complex reveals, and there weren't. We don't need big plot twists, but don't foreshadow one if there isn't any.
 
Imo the Old Republic universe is far more interesting than the setting shown in the movies and I think Disney missed a big opportunity bringing it rather than the old big bad empire versus underdog rebels formula (which felt forced as hell the way it happened).

As for the movie itself, my daughter was entertained and that is good enough for me. I thought a bunch of things made 0 sense but Star Wars was never about that anyway. I enjoyed Snoke's death and Luke making a huge fool of Kylo Ren was very satisfying imo.

Also, lol at people whining about women getting important roles. Are you guys afraid of cooties or something?
I'm pretty liberal, and ethnically Im black/jap, and i felt like there was definitely some pandering going on.
I am of course all about inclusion, but this movie felt like it HAD to make everything exactly equal. The women were in all the good, powerful positions, and the men were either evil or morons for the most part.

I like Rey--I have no real issues with her character, besides her being massively overpowered. (and with no explanation )
Leia's position of power makes sense. She has the history, experience, and she is royalty.
But her 2nd in command? This frail, pink haired, lesbo granny? That's the next military leader? It was just completely unbelievable that she'd be leading military operations. And of course Poe is then depicted as just the short sighted hot head.
It felt like all of the major roles in the rebel group belonged to women. Finn and Poe were comedy relief and hot head.
Im not saying there's a full blown conspiracy something, but it's hard not to see something here.
I don't care that women get more roles, that's cool--but they should make sense.
 
Why are there never any cool aliens? Have there ever been any?
All of the aliens just seem to be comedy relief.
Chewbacca is the closest thing to an actual character.
It's kind of bizarre that it's pretty much always been just humans as the main characters.

I also just remembered something from the pointless Casino mission.
When Finn and Rose were trying to escape. ..if they had succeeded then they would have been leaving empty-handed. They came for the codebreaker, and they didn't get him. He ended up getting them.

Lol and how fucking lazy and terrible is the writing?
The rebels big problem is running out of gas...?
And Finn and Rose get arrested because they parked in a "no parking zone"?
Lol whose fucking ideas were these?

I forgot about that absurdity: Finn and Rose fail their mission because of where they parked their ship, leading them to Benicio del Toro who betrays them and gets most of the resistance killed

:rolleyes:
 
I know a lot of people are talking shit about Leia floating through space but that's actually very plausible especially with the power of the force. You can survive in space about 15 seconds without a space suit. Now they stretched it to about 30 secs but still I really had no issue with that scene.
That scene was pretty corny and cringey but I had no issue with it. I have more of an issue with them having sounds in space since you know theres no sound in a vacuum..(though it would be boring)
 
Just thought of a big plot hole: how did Benicio Del Toro betray the Resistance’s plans to the First Order when he shouldn’t have even known about the plan? Finn and Rose didn’t know about the plan to evacuate so...

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I forgot about that absurdity: Finn and Rose fail their mission because of where they parked their ship, leading them to Benicio del Toro who betrays them and gets most of the resistance killed

:rolleyes:
I kept waiting for some sort of twist with Benicio's character.
Why was he in jail in the first place when he had the means to break himself out the whole time?
He ends up saving them even though he just stole an expensive ship and could have made away with it, rich and free. I assumed he wanted something more...or therewas something to him.
He takes Rose's necklace. ...bad guy...then gives it back...good guy....then betrays them in the end...bad guy....then you never see him again.
This movie was a giant cocktease.
 
Imo the Old Republic universe is far more interesting than the setting shown in the movies and I think Disney missed a big opportunity bringing it rather than the old big bad empire versus underdog rebels formula (which felt forced as hell the way it happened).

As for the movie itself, my daughter was entertained and that is good enough for me. I thought a bunch of things made 0 sense but Star Wars was never about that anyway. I enjoyed Snoke's death and Luke making a huge fool of Kylo Ren was very satisfying imo.

Also, lol at people whining about women getting important roles. Are you guys afraid of cooties or something?
I think you're completely missing the point about "whining" about the womens roles. I haven't seen a single person bitching at the fact we had female leads and females in important positions. People are complaining because they're forced into the movie while obviously making white men the evil characters. If you blind to this theres no point of explaining any further.
 
I personally don't have an issue with the ethnicity or gender they have chosen for their characters. The biggest problem they have is that these characters really have no purpose.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that this arc was created with characters first and story second. Then you throw in the different directors and you can just see how disjointed they are and how there is no real grand vision for what is supposed to be happening.

You could tell so clearly that there was no idea what to do with Finn. He was just there. And I can't logically see any reason to have the Rose character other than diversity. Unfortunately, her sister who was only on screen for about 2 minutes was more memorable IMO.

This trilogy is really suffering from a lack of a grand, cohesive narrative. I can't recall a trilogy this successful being so empty heading into it's final act. It's really kind of mind boggling how little they've built with this trilogy.
 
Well just watched the movie yesterday, I'd rate it a 7 out of 10, while not the worst (prequals).

If I were not such a fan of Starwars and say was like a casual movie goer I would have rated it maybe higher 8 to 9. But there were so many plot holes and wtf moments aswell as wasted character arcs.

* wtf was the point of Rose and Finn other then to pander to the Asian market and insert some agenda(slavery, child abuse and everyone is bad point)
* they wasted Snoke character made him some big bad which he sort of was then just kill him.
* Wasted Rey parent lineage, so basically you dont even need Jedi training to be some Jedi wonder kid.
* Wasted a way to write of Leia, because wow she has flying powers
* Wasted Luke , first why the fuck would he want to off Kylo/Ben when he has never shown these tendencies.Then they wasted the final battle of him just using an astral projection image, then just die anyway. there are alot more but I kinda just gave up over thinking why they were doing this.

FYI wtf did they take out JJ abrams and replace him with this imbecile Rian Johnson, plus now give him a new trilogy.
 
In a way, this movie kind of reminds of the problem that the DC universe had with BvS and Justice League.
2 directors + 2 different visions = 1 shitshow
There is no way Rian and JJ were on the same page as to where the story was going. The shit that was set up in TFA could not have been meant to end the way it did here.

And now JJ is supposed to come back to direct the 3rd? They should have kept him on for the whole thing. How can you make a good story when you only get to tell the beginning, middle, or end of it?
 
Yeah, I know about his cameo in those Insidious movies but I mean..... can you really consider those canon?

Darth Maul surviving being cut in half and appearing in The Clone Wars cartoon is 100% canon.
 
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