STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?


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The novelization was just released and I got it on audiobook and I have been listening to it on the commute to work. So far there have been a few interesting details:

  • There was a brief funeral for Han during the evacuation.
  • Snaps Wexley and Jess Pava survived the events of the movie. Leia had sent them and other pilots to gather more Resistance ships to help with the evacuation but they hadn't made it back to D'Qar by the time the First Order began its attack. So they're still out there.
  • Nobody in the First Order has any respect for General Hux whatsoever. Some of the former Imperials in the ranks think that he is incompetent as a military leader and that he cares more about grand theatrical gestures than tactically sound decisions.
  • Case in point, Hux had given explicit orders that no fighters be launched during the attack on D'Qar because he wanted to make a point of smashing the Resistance with the capital ships alone. The captain of the dreadnought thought this was idiotic and had the TIEs prepped for launch just in case.
  • The book explains how the hyperspace tracking system works. They took all data accumulated throughout galactic history by the Old Republic and the Empire on navigation, hyperspace routes, astrography, every after action report and every report from every commerce guild or shipping company, etc.; basically all data ever recorded on travelling through hyperspace and then they input that and the sensor readings on the last known trajectory of the ship into a massive supercomputer and run simulations until they narrow it down to one destination. As Snoke points out when Hux explains this, the system involves no new technological discovery or stroke of genius, it just applies sheer brute force to the problem until it cracks it.
  • Leia had recieved some training in accessing the Force consciously from Luke.

If I find anything else of interest I'll post it here.
 
The IMBD user score of 7.5 is absolutely bullshit.

Go look at the actual review. I've gone through 50 pages of 1's and 2's before I gave up. There is no god damn way it would have an average of 7.5. Then I found out that it weighs it's scores to only reflect certain user's scores.

gg.
 
The IMBD user score of 7.5 is absolutely bullshit.

Go look at the actual review. I've gone through 50 pages of 1's and 2's before I gave up. There is no god damn way it would have an average of 7.5. Then I found out that it weighs it's scores to only reflect certain user's scores.

gg.

Yep this film was dog shit
 
The novelization was just released and I got it on audiobook and I have been listening to it on the commute to work. So far there have been a few interesting details:

  • There was a brief funeral for Han during the evacuation.
  • Snaps Wexley and Jess Pava survived the events of the movie. Leia had sent them and other pilots to gather more Resistance ships to help with the evacuation but they hadn't made it back to D'Qar by the time the First Order began its attack. So they're still out there.
  • Nobody in the First Order has any respect for General Hux whatsoever. Some of the former Imperials in the ranks think that he is incompetent as a military leader and that he cares more about grand theatrical gestures than tactically sound decisions.
  • Case in point, Hux had given explicit orders that no fighters be launched during the attack on D'Qar because he wanted to make a point of smashing the Resistance with the capital ships alone. The captain of the dreadnought thought this was idiotic and had the TIEs prepped for launch just in case.
  • The book explains how the hyperspace tracking system works. They took all data accumulated throughout galactic history by the Old Republic and the Empire on navigation, hyperspace routes, astrography, every after action report and every report from every commerce guild or shipping company, etc.; basically all data ever recorded on travelling through hyperspace and then they input that and the sensor readings on the last known trajectory of the ship into a massive supercomputer and run simulations until they narrow it down to one destination. As Snoke points out when Hux explains this, the system involves no new technological discovery or stroke of genius, it just applies sheer brute force to the problem until it cracks it.
  • Leia had recieved some training in accessing the Force consciously from Luke.

If I find anything else of interest I'll post it here.

So they waited for viewers to tell them what was dumb in their movie and waited for the novelization to try and fix it? I still can't believe their excuse for stupid plot holes is just "Hux is stupid". Why would anybody that awful be in such a high commanding position?
 
The novelization was just released and I got it on audiobook and I have been listening to it on the commute to work. So far there have been a few interesting details:

  • There was a brief funeral for Han during the evacuation.
  • Snaps Wexley and Jess Pava survived the events of the movie. Leia had sent them and other pilots to gather more Resistance ships to help with the evacuation but they hadn't made it back to D'Qar by the time the First Order began its attack. So they're still out there.
  • Nobody in the First Order has any respect for General Hux whatsoever. Some of the former Imperials in the ranks think that he is incompetent as a military leader and that he cares more about grand theatrical gestures than tactically sound decisions.
  • Case in point, Hux had given explicit orders that no fighters be launched during the attack on D'Qar because he wanted to make a point of smashing the Resistance with the capital ships alone. The captain of the dreadnought thought this was idiotic and had the TIEs prepped for launch just in case.
  • The book explains how the hyperspace tracking system works. They took all data accumulated throughout galactic history by the Old Republic and the Empire on navigation, hyperspace routes, astrography, every after action report and every report from every commerce guild or shipping company, etc.; basically all data ever recorded on travelling through hyperspace and then they input that and the sensor readings on the last known trajectory of the ship into a massive supercomputer and run simulations until they narrow it down to one destination. As Snoke points out when Hux explains this, the system involves no new technological discovery or stroke of genius, it just applies sheer brute force to the problem until it cracks it.
  • Leia had recieved some training in accessing the Force consciously from Luke.

If I find anything else of interest I'll post it here.

Basically sounds like a lot of trying to plug holes in the plotting of the film,.

Honestly the really telling thing for me is just how little The Last Jedi is being discussed outside of hardcore fan circles, only been less than 3 months and its pretty much been forgotten.
 
So they waited for viewers to tell them what was dumb in their movie and waited for the novelization to try and fix it? I still can't believe their excuse for stupid plot holes is just "Hux is stupid". Why would anybody that awful be in such a high commanding position?

Basically sounds like a lot of trying to plug holes in the plotting of the film,.

Honestly the really telling thing for me is just how little The Last Jedi is being discussed outside of hardcore fan circles, only been less than 3 months and its pretty much been forgotten.

Actually the novelizations are based on the shooting script, so it is probably more of a case of most of the explanations getting cut from the actual movie for time or pacing.
 
The novelization was just released and I got it on audiobook and I have been listening to it on the commute to work. So far there have been a few interesting details:

  • There was a brief funeral for Han during the evacuation.
  • Snaps Wexley and Jess Pava survived the events of the movie. Leia had sent them and other pilots to gather more Resistance ships to help with the evacuation but they hadn't made it back to D'Qar by the time the First Order began its attack. So they're still out there.
  • Nobody in the First Order has any respect for General Hux whatsoever. Some of the former Imperials in the ranks think that he is incompetent as a military leader and that he cares more about grand theatrical gestures than tactically sound decisions.
  • Case in point, Hux had given explicit orders that no fighters be launched during the attack on D'Qar because he wanted to make a point of smashing the Resistance with the capital ships alone. The captain of the dreadnought thought this was idiotic and had the TIEs prepped for launch just in case.
  • The book explains how the hyperspace tracking system works. They took all data accumulated throughout galactic history by the Old Republic and the Empire on navigation, hyperspace routes, astrography, every after action report and every report from every commerce guild or shipping company, etc.; basically all data ever recorded on travelling through hyperspace and then they input that and the sensor readings on the last known trajectory of the ship into a massive supercomputer and run simulations until they narrow it down to one destination. As Snoke points out when Hux explains this, the system involves no new technological discovery or stroke of genius, it just applies sheer brute force to the problem until it cracks it.
  • Leia had recieved some training in accessing the Force consciously from Luke.

If I find anything else of interest I'll post it here.
Good stuff, I started reading the book, will hope to finish it this week. Gotta say, the first line of the book surprised me, then you read on and find out it's a dream
 
There were no light saber battles in this Star Wars movie. The only one was a two swing fake hologram battle. The only real fight scene was pretty cool though.

And I agree with Tamriel way too much humor. I was pretty irritated with the joking around in the opening scene.

I don't care about Finn at all. He's pointless. The casino planet was pretty dumb.
 
The novelization was just released and I got it on audiobook and I have been listening to it on the commute to work. So far there have been a few interesting details:

  • There was a brief funeral for Han during the evacuation.
  • Snaps Wexley and Jess Pava survived the events of the movie. Leia had sent them and other pilots to gather more Resistance ships to help with the evacuation but they hadn't made it back to D'Qar by the time the First Order began its attack. So they're still out there.
  • Nobody in the First Order has any respect for General Hux whatsoever. Some of the former Imperials in the ranks think that he is incompetent as a military leader and that he cares more about grand theatrical gestures than tactically sound decisions.
  • Case in point, Hux had given explicit orders that no fighters be launched during the attack on D'Qar because he wanted to make a point of smashing the Resistance with the capital ships alone. The captain of the dreadnought thought this was idiotic and had the TIEs prepped for launch just in case.
  • The book explains how the hyperspace tracking system works. They took all data accumulated throughout galactic history by the Old Republic and the Empire on navigation, hyperspace routes, astrography, every after action report and every report from every commerce guild or shipping company, etc.; basically all data ever recorded on travelling through hyperspace and then they input that and the sensor readings on the last known trajectory of the ship into a massive supercomputer and run simulations until they narrow it down to one destination. As Snoke points out when Hux explains this, the system involves no new technological discovery or stroke of genius, it just applies sheer brute force to the problem until it cracks it.
  • Leia had recieved some training in accessing the Force consciously from Luke.
If I find anything else of interest I'll post it here.

I think everyone can admit almost all of the tidbits that have been hinted at about the novelization regarding things like Snoke and whatnot would have been infinitely better than Canto Bight.



The IMBD user score of 7.5 is absolutely bullshit.

Go look at the actual review. I've gone through 50 pages of 1's and 2's before I gave up. There is no god damn way it would have an average of 7.5. Then I found out that it weighs it's scores to only reflect certain user's scores.

gg.

To be fair, scores like that should totally ignored. As time has gone, Ive only disliked the movie more and more. However a 1 or a 2 is reserved for only the most worthless shit ever made, like The Room. Putting TLJ in that category is just being a troll or exaggerating for the sake of it.


There were no light saber battles in this Star Wars movie. The only one was a two swing fake hologram battle. The only real fight scene was pretty cool though.

And I agree with Tamriel way too much humor. I was pretty irritated with the joking around in the opening scene.

I don't care about Finn at all. He's pointless. The casino planet was pretty dumb.

I remember reading somewhere that at no point in the movie did a light saber actually connect with another saber. Seemed another obvious tactic for Rian Johnson to show how different he was, at the expense of a better movie.
 
I rewatched Ep8 today for the 1st time today, and skipped all of the Rose&Finn scenes, and the entirety of Space Vegas, wondering if it would improve my opinion of the film.

It did, but not by much.

But something hit me that I didn't notice the first time I watched Ep8.

Rose&Finn destroyed the Rebellion.

The two scenes I didn't skip were when Rose&Finn were captured, and when it was revealed Del Toro's character betrayed them.

They were captured before destroying the lightspeed tracking system, so all the screentime dedicated to Space Vegas was a waste. But even worse, they brought back Del Toro's character who, after being captured, revealed to the 1st Order the Rebel's plans to evacuate all their personelle to Salt-Hoth.

There were dozens of transports taking off from the last ship before it did a U-Turn and lightspeeded into the 1st Order fleet, and only a few of the transports got to Salt-Hoth, because Del Toro betrayed Rose&Finn, which he wouldn't have been able to do if Rose&Finn never went to Space Vegas.

And at the end of the movie, the Rebel's numbers were so few, they all could comfortably fit in the Falcon.

Everyone understand now what I mean by Rose&Finn destroyed the Rebellion?



And on a side note, realizing how badly the good guys were decimated throughout the movie with hundreds dead and only a handful of them still alive with no alies left in the galaxy, hearing Leia's final words within the entire series being 'We have everything we need,' rings extremely hollow to the point of being delusional.

I wish Hudson from 'Aliens' was there to say "I don't know if you're keeping up with current events, but we just got our asses kicked, Pal!"
 
ITo be fair, scores like that should totally ignored. As time has gone, Ive only disliked the movie more and more. However a 1 or a 2 is reserved for only the most worthless shit ever made, like The Room. Putting TLJ in that category is just being a troll or exaggerating for the sake of it..

The same could probably be said of a lot of positive reviews giving in 10/10 though.
 
I think everyone can admit almost all of the tidbits that have been hinted at about the novelization regarding things like Snoke and whatnot would have been infinitely better than Canto Bight.





To be fair, scores like that should totally ignored. As time has gone, Ive only disliked the movie more and more. However a 1 or a 2 is reserved for only the most worthless shit ever made, like The Room. Putting TLJ in that category is just being a troll or exaggerating for the sake of it.




I remember reading somewhere that at no point in the movie did a light saber actually connect with another saber. Seemed another obvious tactic for Rian Johnson to show how different he was, at the expense of a better movie.

I think its likely an over reaction in trying to get the overall average score down to a reasonable level which is the goal. An accurate representation of the popular opinion. Which right now it is clearly not.

Id give the movie a 4 based on effects and sound and acting was adequate. And the camera man kept everone in focus...

Outside of the basics it was complete shit.
 
And on a side note, realizing how badly the good guys were decimated throughout the movie with hundreds dead and only a handful of them still alive with no alies left in the galaxy, hearing Leia's final words within the entire series being 'We have everything we need,' rings extremely hollow to the point of being delusional.

 
The same could probably be said of a lot of positive reviews giving in 10/10 though.

Id sooner believe people actually love it and consider it one of their favorite movies than someone legitimately thinks it was a 3 or less. And Im saying it sucked.
 
I hated everything they did with Luke, and Rey.

But I thought the rest was fun.

 
Id sooner believe people actually love it and consider it one of their favorite movies than someone legitimately thinks it was a 3 or less. And Im saying it sucked.

As a movie in general it was higher than a 3. As a Star Wars movie a 3 is being gracious.
 
I rewatched Ep8 today for the 1st time today, and skipped all of the Rose&Finn scenes, and the entirety of Space Vegas, wondering if it would improve my opinion of the film.

It did, but not by much.

But something hit me that I didn't notice the first time I watched Ep8.

Rose&Finn destroyed the Rebellion.

The two scenes I didn't skip were when Rose&Finn were captured, and when it was revealed Del Toro's character betrayed them.

They were captured before destroying the lightspeed tracking system, so all the screentime dedicated to Space Vegas was a waste. But even worse, they brought back Del Toro's character who, after being captured, revealed to the 1st Order the Rebel's plans to evacuate all their personelle to Salt-Hoth.

There were dozens of transports taking off from the last ship before it did a U-Turn and lightspeeded into the 1st Order fleet, and only a few of the transports got to Salt-Hoth, because Del Toro betrayed Rose&Finn, which he wouldn't have been able to do if Rose&Finn never went to Space Vegas.

And at the end of the movie, the Rebel's numbers were so few, they all could comfortably fit in the Falcon.

Everyone understand now what I mean by Rose&Finn destroyed the Rebellion?



And on a side note, realizing how badly the good guys were decimated throughout the movie with hundreds dead and only a handful of them still alive with no alies left in the galaxy, hearing Leia's final words within the entire series being 'We have everything we need,' rings extremely hollow to the point of being delusional.

I wish Hudson from 'Aliens' was there to say "I don't know if you're keeping up with current events, but we just got our asses kicked, Pal!"

And Ive said it before, she also killed Luke. If Finn had sacrificed himself to take out the engine, Luke doesnt have to do his stupidly worthless and arbitrary hari-kari routine. But Roses jungle fever is apparently more important than Luke friggin Skywalker.
 
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