Sweden enjoying Islamic culture and useful immigrants.

[glenwo2]

Good stuff.

From earlier mention of SD, I would like to add.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/m6jw00/kristerssons-klimatattack-mot-akesson

”Han stod och raljerade över dem som ”gör politik av vädret”. Det är ”den lägsta formen av populism”, menade han. Och det är kanske lätt att stå i ett festivaltält som förband till Ultima Thule och raljera över det varma vädret”, skrev M-ledaren.

When the fuck are they are going to grow up? Ultima Thule? I missed that one. Why do they not analyze and reflect over things before actions of stupidity? This is the reason they will be in the forever corner. They should take a very long teambuilding session over the sound, and learn a few things from DP.

And we are talking about a party that is as old as MP and we never hear anyone talk about MP as not a serious party. Jesus christ!

Double Penetration?

 

[NoDak]

I couldn't agree more and something changed with the left in Sweden soon after Dubya visited Sweden in 2001. Soon after, their criticism against globalism and EU faded and instead, they began to focus on identity politics.

It is indeed a sad state of affair when Norway seems to be the more nuanced and balanced country, it is not too long ago a Swedish minister called Norway the last Soviet state...

But the question remains, why Sweden?! Even before they lobbied for Sweden to become a multicultural society in 1975, the police reported that foreigners committed far more crimes than Swedes and there are many government reports from the early 80's about the lack of integration and increasing costs. There have also been yearly surveys that showed that Swedes want less immigration. Imagine if the average Swede knew the costs and over representation in crime as well as that they are becoming a minority in their own country in the coming decades, then the support for less immigration would explode even more.

So why would politicians continue with this failed project against the will of the people...

It isn't like Sweden is alone in engaging in this sort of ethnomasochism, virtually every western country in the world has elements of it within segments of their general populations but most prominently within the academic and journalistic left. Annoying as it is, this can more or less be brushed off. What makes Sweden different is that it has taken root and spread throughout the bureaucracy and that holds the institutional power to change things drastically.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

im really liking One America News view on this story and what is going on there...pure madness. "Experts in Finland now say that Sweden and its massive immigration crisis is now a greater threat to the country than even Russia".

 

[JonnyRingo84]

The numbers are from research from the Multicultural Centrum (a public institution that focuses on highlighting diversity and multiculturalism)!

interesting.

As for assimilating them, Sweden outlawed the previous modus operandi that was to assimilate immigrants and are instead pushing for immigrants to keep their cultures and customs!

if this is true, thats puzzling.

Researchers have also studied the cost for immigrants and they will in average never accumulate a net profit for the society.

historically thats not true. but i guess depending on your country's situation, it could be.

though, all developing countries face a looming elderly support crisis. an economic calamity. maybe automation will save us; but its debatable as to whether "it" will arrive in time.

 

[NoDak]

I have a theory, but it'd get me banned.

Ooh, I wanna hear it.

if this is true, thats puzzling.

It really isn't when a substantial part of your "ideology" is fundamentally rooted in bending over and spreading your butt cheeks to get dicked down by people of color. An Islamic bukkake on Sweden's fair skin face is quite desirable and they deserve it!

Like, doing that sort of thing is perfectly fine if consensual and kept it in the privacy of your bedroom but sure as fuck isn't the sort of "left wing politics" I know or advocate. It's rather unprecedented insanity that is gradually becoming part of the brand rather than an extremist fringe.

and europe has never been homogenous lol. its one of the most ever-changing regions of the planet.

It kind of has been, but certainly not much longer.

*Trigger Warning*

Western culture is European culture (or combination of subsets), Western countries were founded, established and developed by Europeans. Europeans are 'white people'. And 'white people' can be discerned from other groups of populations on a molecular genetic level in far more ways than the shared genes that control for skin tone.

Western culture in its modern form just lends itself to very high levels of inclusivity and assimilation - it's the only one in existence that has ever given any credence to the concept of equality - and has the potential to do this so well that if the institutions, customs and values of a society are maintained, genetic homogeneity becomes irrelevant.

@Son of Jamin is actually mixed race IIRC, and so what. There is plenty of room for racial/ethnic diversity with tangible benefits to be derived from it and most decent people don't actually give a fuck about a skin color. Actual multiculturalism though? Not so much, and part of the problem is that it's consistently conflated with the former. They aren't the same thing.

 

[Bald1]

Ooh, I wanna hear it.



It really isn't when a substantial part of your "ideology" is fundamentally rooted in bending over and spreading your butt cheeks to get dicked down by people of color. An Islamic bukkake on Sweden's fair skin face is quite desirable and they deserve it!

Like, doing that sort of thing is perfectly fine if consensual and kept it in the privacy of your bedroom but sure as fuck isn't the sort of "left wing politics" I know or advocate. It's rather unprecedented insanity that is gradually becoming part of the brand rather than an extremist fringe.



It kind of has been, but certainly not much longer.

*Trigger Warning*

Western culture is European culture (or combination of subsets), Western countries were founded, established and developed by Europeans. Europeans are 'white people'. And 'white people' can be discerned from other groups of populations on a molecular genetic level in far more ways than the shared genes that control for skin tone.

Western culture in its modern form just lends itself to very high levels of inclusivity and assimilation - it's the only one in existence that has ever given any credence to the concept of equality - and has the potential to do this so well that if the institutions, customs and values of a society are maintained, genetic homogeneity becomes irrelevant.

@Son of Jamin is actually mixed race IIRC, and so what. There is plenty of room for racial/ethnic diversity with tangible benefits to be derived from it and most decent people don't actually give a fuck about a skin color. Actual multiculturalism though? Not so much, and part of the problem is that it's consistently conflated with the former. They aren't the same thing.

Good post. Glad to see more and more people making the distinction between multiculturalism and diversity.

Out of curiosity - what was your last account here? Lol

 

[The ScorpioN]

Ooh, I wanna hear it.

It's the goddamn Danes.

Every single time.

 

[NoDak]

Good post. Glad to see more and more people making the distinction between multiculturalism and diversity.

Out of curiosity - what was your last account here? Lol

I've been advised by a mod not to say although some have figured it out. I copped it for posting tranny "porn" (in spoiler tags) in a tranny thread that was obvious insta-dump material in response to a post as a 'joke'. It was nevertheless inappropriate and strictly against forum rules so I get it and went into exile for a month.

 

[The Catch-Wrestler]

Weird. How do you get sufficient privileges to start a new thread? What happened?

 

[jimmas99]

im really liking One America News view on this story and what is going on there...pure madness. "Experts in Finland now say that Sweden and its massive immigration crisis is now a greater threat to the country than even Russia".

LOL, what exactly is going to happen according to these Finish experts?

The hysteria about Sweden in the WR is something else....

 

[Son of Jamin]

interesting.

I could easily link to their research but it is in Swedish

if this is true, thats puzzling.

It's understandable puzzling but if people knew why Sweden became a multicultural society, it would be easier to decipher:

There are numerous sources on the subject but a recent and well-cited one is:

Comparative and transnational perspectives on the introduction of multiculturalism in post-war Sweden
Scandinavian Journal of History
Volume 40, 2015 - Issue 4
The founder of the Swedish multicultural society was David Schwartz and he felt strongly that if Jews were to assimilate in Sweden, that would be like Hitler won postpartum. Together with Estonians in Sweden, they began to write articles and push for multiculturalism instead of assimilation. The most prominent Swedish newspaper gave them much space to lobby for their ideas. In 1975, the parliament voted that Sweden were to become multicultural and no longer try to assimilate immigrants.

historically thats not true. but i guess depending on your country's situation, it could be.

though, all developing countries face a looming elderly support crisis. an economic calamity. maybe automation will save us; but its debatable as to whether "it" will arrive in time.

The researchers in Sweden studied immigrants from 1983-2015 and found that they will never bear their own costs and the immigrants that have come to Sweden lately are even more lowly educated and skilled than before.

 

[NoDak]

I could easily link to their research but it is in Swedish

It's understandable puzzling but if people knew why Sweden became a multicultural society, it would be easier to decipher:

There are numerous sources on the subject but a recent and well-cited one is:

Comparative and transnational perspectives on the introduction of multiculturalism in post-war Sweden
Scandinavian Journal of History
Volume 40, 2015 - Issue 4
The founder of the Swedish multicultural society was David Schwartz and he felt strongly that if Jews were to assimilate in Sweden, that would be like Hitler won postpartum. Together with Estonians in Sweden, they began to write articles and push for multiculturalism instead of assimilation. The most prominent Swedish newspaper gave them much space to lobby for their ideas. In 1975, the parliament voted that Sweden were to become multicultural and no longer try to assimilate immigrants.

The researchers in Sweden studied immigrants from 1983-2015 and found that they will never bear their own costs and the immigrants that have come to Sweden lately are even more lowly educated and skilled than before.

It honestly boggles my mind how strongly people still question the content of your posts on Sweden when you fucking live there to see it for yourself. I wouldn't be having that shit with the level of class and patience you do.

I'm sure it's all right-wing propaganda, you white supremacist you! I've witnessed this happen on other forums as well, and it never fails to bemuse. Of course, there are also a good number of Swedes who get pushy and defensive when people make criticisms of the direction it's going.

Like I said, others aren't far behind.

Deutsche Welle: German Interior Minister's Call For 'Leitkultur' Draws Fierce Criticism

"I clearly disagree with the German Cultural Council regarding the word Leitkultur: I like the word, the council does not. It is still not clear to me whether what disturbs you is the word 'core' or the word 'culture' or the combination of both words. Or is it something else in the past. We cannot ask anyone to respect our customs if we are not ready to articulate them. Germany is part of the West, culturally, spiritually and politically speaking."

And that... needs clarification?

 

[NoDak]

Experts in Finland

$10 says @TheGreatA is one of them.

 

[original doom]

elderly support ratio?

i feel like i bring this up in every immigration thread, but no one talks about it, including the media.

and birth rates shrink among immigrants a generation or two after they arrive, so im not sure that swedes are inevitably becoming a minority lol.

even still 40 percent of germans under 5 arent of german origin. id imagine its not all different in sweden. as the decades pass us by these numbers may drop but by that stage german births just wont match and the next generations will ve a minority. thats a hard sell regardless of political party. even your hardcore feminists will feel uneasy, especially if they have daughters.
i think you guys have royally fucked up with your demographic predictions. even among yourselves there must some anxiety as your influence wains. belgians capital even has an islamic state party that expects power due to demographics.

 

[Son of Jamin]

It honestly boggles my mind how strongly people still question the content of your posts on Sweden when you fucking live there to see it for yourself. I wouldn't be having that shit with the level of class and patience you do.

I'm sure it's all right-wing propaganda, you white supremacist you! I've witnessed this happen on other forums as well, and it never fails to bemuse. Of course, there are also a good number of Swedes who get pushy and defensive when people make criticisms of the direction it's going.

Like I said, others aren't far behind.

Deutsche Welle: German Interior Minister's Call For 'Leitkultur' Draws Fierce Criticism

"I clearly disagree with the German Cultural Council regarding the word Leitkultur: I like the word, the council does not. It is still not clear to me whether what disturbs you is the word 'core' or the word 'culture' or the combination of both words. Or is it something else in the past. We cannot ask anyone to respect our customs if we are not ready to articulate them. Germany is part of the West, culturally, spiritually and politically speaking."

And that... needs clarification?

Thank you!

I rarely get emotional and I think that is a coping mechanism for me since the madness around me is so prevalent. It also stems from being called racist by white liberals and the Swedish equivalent of an uncle Tom by POC. It makes me desensitized and void of emotion and I try my best to argue from reason albeit I falter at many times.

As for many Swedes getting defensive is in many cases an instinctive reaction that is conditioned. The researcher I touched on in a previous post (Joakim Ruist) that studied the cost of immigrants since the 80's to 2015 were put in the spotlight in state controlled media if he had taken into consideration that releasing his study close to the election could affect the election results. I have never heard state controlled media ask a climate researcher if their findings should be published close to an election since they may benefit Green Parties. It basically sends a signal from the top down that never question the current policy regarding migration.

It is mindbogglingly that something as self explanatory needs clarification. The same goes on in the Netherlands:

Dutch professor Maurice Crul has said that with the ever increasing number of migrants and migrant background people living in the Netherlands, that the native Dutch should just get used to being a minority.
“In Amsterdam the time has come: there this group is a minority. Only one in three young people under the age of fifteen is of Dutch descent,” Professor Crul said and added, “If you want to know how the integration is going, you also have to look at that group. Who adapts to whom if there is no majority anymore?”

This has been a pet-peeve for me for a long time, how can there be integration and a chance for European values to survive when the former majority is disfranchised and now minority, while at the same time being vilified.

 

[Prokofievian]

This has been a pet-peeve for me for a long time, how can there be integration and a chance for European values to survive when the former majority is disfranchised and now minority, while at the same time being vilified.

Amsterdam should be asterisked. I fully believe that only 1 in 3 kids there under 15 are of Dutch descent. But that's because it's expat city. It feels like almost everyone there is from somewhere else. In my Amsterdam friend group there are Americans, Brits, Germans, Finns, French, and I think maybe one Dutch person (who's married to an American). Dutch people are leaving Amsterdam in droves because, to be frank, the city is just crawling with people. In an expat facebook group someone posted a picture of their local wifi networks which included the SSID ''KillYourselfTourist.'' I go there fairly regularly and, while I enjoy my stay, I'm always happy to return to the Hague: nice, quiet, tourist-free S'Gravenhage.

The rest of the Netherlands is quite different, though.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

i think you guys have royally fucked up with your demographic predictions.

"you guys?"

i think most proponents of mass immigration dont really even consider the demographic changes.

even among yourselves there must some anxiety as your influence wains. belgians capital even has an islamic state party that expects power due to demographics.

"yourselves?"

these same arguments play out every time there is large immigration to a country. some of the fears are realized, and most, are forgotten. americans used to throw around the terrifying notion that someday, there might be an irish president. OH NO!

 

[JonnyRingo84]

I could easily link to their research but it is in Swedish

It's understandable puzzling but if people knew why Sweden became a multicultural society, it would be easier to decipher:

There are numerous sources on the subject but a recent and well-cited one is:

Comparative and transnational perspectives on the introduction of multiculturalism in post-war Sweden
Scandinavian Journal of History
Volume 40, 2015 - Issue 4
The founder of the Swedish multicultural society was David Schwartz and he felt strongly that if Jews were to assimilate in Sweden, that would be like Hitler won postpartum. Together with Estonians in Sweden, they began to write articles and push for multiculturalism instead of assimilation. The most prominent Swedish newspaper gave them much space to lobby for their ideas. In 1975, the parliament voted that Sweden were to become multicultural and no longer try to assimilate immigrants.

The researchers in Sweden studied immigrants from 1983-2015 and found that they will never bear their own costs and the immigrants that have come to Sweden lately are even more lowly educated and skilled than before.

sounds more like a series of sweden policy F-ups than a general indictment against immigration.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Ooh, I wanna hear it.



It really isn't when a substantial part of your "ideology" is fundamentally rooted in bending over and spreading your butt cheeks to get dicked down by people of color. An Islamic bukkake on Sweden's fair skin face is quite desirable and they deserve it!

Like, doing that sort of thing is perfectly fine if consensual and kept it in the privacy of your bedroom but sure as fuck isn't the sort of "left wing politics" I know or advocate. It's rather unprecedented insanity that is gradually becoming part of the brand rather than an extremist fringe.



It kind of has been, but certainly not much longer.

*Trigger Warning*

Western culture is European culture (or combination of subsets), Western countries were founded, established and developed by Europeans. Europeans are 'white people'. And 'white people' can be discerned from other groups of populations on a molecular genetic level in far more ways than the shared genes that control for skin tone.

Western culture in its modern form just lends itself to very high levels of inclusivity and assimilation - it's the only one in existence that has ever given any credence to the concept of equality - and has the potential to do this so well that if the institutions, customs and values of a society are maintained, genetic homogeneity becomes irrelevant.

@Son of Jamin is actually mixed race IIRC, and so what. There is plenty of room for racial/ethnic diversity with tangible benefits to be derived from it and most decent people don't actually give a fuck about a skin color. Actual multiculturalism though? Not so much, and part of the problem is that it's consistently conflated with the former. They aren't the same thing.

what is a white person? where does one race end, and another begin, with regard to appearance?

ethnically and culturally speaking, europe is, and for going on 1500 years has been a mixed up soup. ive always found both sides of this particular issue odd. those that seek to maintain some perceived pureness of their physical geography, and then those who intentionally seek to diversify it. wtf for? both seem silly to me.

multiculturalism can cause problems, but i do not believe this is an inevitability. afterall, the most multicultural location on earth is prosperous and very safe (NYC).

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

LOL, what exactly is going to happen according to these Finish experts?

The hysteria about Sweden in the WR is something else....

It isnt just Finland, that was the one I quoted from the clip...and seeing as how Sweden is almost at a point were actual sweeds are a minority, where they claim the area and go on their own laws and ways, they are a threat to every other nation around. Just the other day there were coordinated attacks in several cities there.

The fear is that Sweden will be taken over from within AND that because Sweden does NOT do any security background checks on those coming in that it will be a port for terrorist groups to enter Europe by setting up a safe zone for them.