Tamper Tantrum (Mueller Thread v. 17)

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  1. Quipling

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    Mod note excerpted from previous thread:
    Mod note: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR OT thread.

    Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
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    Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.
    Creating a new thread because the old one is huge.
    New Big Updates:
    • Manaforts's $10,000,000 bail revoked because of substantive witness-tampering charges.
    • Michael Cohen's attorneys have resigned
    • OIG report concluded that Strozk and Page acted unproessionally in the texts, but that there was no indication of bias in their work for Mueller


    Updates since last thread:
    • Manafort's (former) son in law has cut a plea deal with the Justice Department
    • Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has not had a good month
    • The FBI had an informant in the Trump campaign as part of a counter-espionage operation addressing Russian involvement

    Major events so far:
    • Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member on eleven counts arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. He has pleaded not guilty. The indictment has since been expanded by 13 claims. Manafort is currently confined to house arrest due to bank and tax fraud uncovered when he tried to secure his bond. His countersuit has been dismissed
    • Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
    • George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied.
    • Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI with respect to several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
    • 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them.
    • An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
    • Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
    • Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen
    Dumb Talking Points:
    Several things have already come of this.

    Wrong. Read the indictment.

    The office of special counsel is a separate section. The FBI has literally thousands of employees and lots of different offices and departments

    Entrapment is only a defense to being charged with the crimes you were "entrapped" into committing. It is not a defense against being charged with other crimes

    This is just a bad argument.

    Previous thread

    http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/urine-trouble-mueller-thread-v-16.3758347/
     
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    Huh?
     
  3. Quipling

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    The old thread is over 1200 posts long so I made a new version. The title translates to "in the meantime, incorrect claims about entrapment." I chose it because the last few pages in the previous volume had an argument about entrapment and "entre-temps" sounds similar to "entrapment"
     
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    I can't believe Obama entrapped Trump for a crime that was never committed. That's 5d chess.
     
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    I want URINE TROUBLE
     
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  10. bobgeese

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    English mothafuka, habla do you?
     
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    @bobgeese

    When you say that the FBI attempted to "set up" a member of the Trump campaign are you saying that the"setup" is illegal or just saying it is immoral?
     
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    What is the definition of is?
     
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  14. bobgeese

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    It is a demonstration of corruption present in the leadership of several agencies under the Obama administration.

    It’s not like this is a conspiracy theory. People have already been demoted, forced to resign, or outright fired for it.

    No amount of deflection or name calling will change that.
     
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    This investigation will ultimately bring nothing against President Trump, and it will be another irrelevant bit of historical trivia.
     
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    I guess the amount of people in Trump's administration that have been forced to resign or outright fired shows the corruption in his leadership.

    Glad I could get your take on things, Bob! You offer such refreshing insight and a new way to look at things. Trump's administration has been corrupt as fucc.
     
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    So the investigation that hasn't concluded but has resulted in more criminal charges and guilty pleas than any other single investigation into a presidential cabinet is irrelevant?

    Do you speak for Americans or right wing retards?
     
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  18. bobgeese

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    This is really the best you could come up with?

    <{hughesimpress}>
     
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    You came up with it with your logic and reasoning, I'm just following your lead.
     
  20. bobgeese

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    You're really not good at this.
     
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