The downfall of Dinesh D'Souza

[Jack V Savage]

I don't think you understand what publishing in peer-reviewed journals means. But hey, if framed plaques from right-wing think-tanks and foundations is your idea of scientific bona fides, more power to you.

If you want a real laugh, look up past winners of the Francis Boyer Award. I won't spoil it.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

D’Souza was sentenced in September to eight months in a work-release center, five years of probation, a $30,000 fine and community service after pleading guilty to campaign finance violations in May 2014. He had arranged "straw donors" to contribute $10,000 to the failed 2012 U.S. Senate campaign of his college friend Wendy Long.

The psychiatrists D’Souza was first ordered to see found no signs of depression, but U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman overruled their findings and ordered D'Souza see a new psychological counselor weekly.

Seems suspect AF to me.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Just watched Death of a Nation last night. Excellent movie. Dinesh does a good job showing the true racist, fascist history of the Democratic party and dispels the myth that the parties ever switched. He did a good job showing how the progressive ideology that democrats employ is what lead to the civil war, the kkk, communism, socialism, Nazism, mass abortions, eugenics, and almost every dark period of modern western history.

He draws a parallel to the 1860s. That was the last time the country was so divided and the democrats refused to accept the results of the election. He shows how a strong, yet hated and maligned, republican president had to save the country from the democratic progressives, racists, and fascists. He argues that Trump, and we the people, must once again save the country from the racist and fascist democrats.

So Southern Democrat whites and blacks switched parties for absolutely no reason? No realignment?

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

If you want a real laugh, look up past winners of the Francis Boyer Award. I won't spoil it.

yeah, I know...horrible people like Obama's pick, Paul Volcker who also was the head of the Federal Reserve aka, an Economist...or like Alan Greenspan, another economist and head of the Fed...

 

[RockstarChris]

Dinesh was one of the guys I used to read regularly as a young conservative.

Over the past few years I was thinking "has he always been this nuts and I didn't see it or did he go nuts?"

Looks like a combination of both.


https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/567233/?__twitter_impression=true

He looks like he is going all Gus Fringe

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Bill Buckley, Sowell and Walter Williams had the biggest influence on me growing up and are probably the main reason I identified as Conservative and registered as a Republican

I was just thinking of Walter Williams, but couldn't remember his name. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

I was just thinking of Walter Williams, but couldn't remember his name. Thanks for the reminder.

He's a Philly guy so I have to represent lol

 

[Jack V Savage]

yeah, I know...horrible people like Obama's pick, Paul Volcker who also was the head of the Federal Reserve aka, an Economist...or like Alan Greenspan, another economist and head of the Fed...

Look over the list. Do you believe that it's a real award given for excellence in policy analysis?

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Look over the list. Do you believe that it's a real award given for excellence in policy analysis?

I see a list of a varied group of people that are/were all policy makers or shakers...on all sides of the political spectrum...and what I see here is someone desperately looking for a way to dismiss Sowell, again...without doing it with something he has said.

Glad his critics are at least consistent in their in their lack of ability.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I see a list of a varied group of people that are/were all policy makers or shakers...on all sides of the political spectrum...and what I see here is someone desperately looking for a way to dismiss Sowell, again...without doing it with something he has said.

Glad his critics are at least consistent in their in their lack of ability.

Well, anyone who is interested can easily find the list themselves and then assess the credibility of the award and of you.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Dinesh did a good job of showing that people like Richard Spencer who employ a white nationalist point of view are actually just another form of progressivism and fundamentally at odds with conservative/Trumpism ideology.

I think it's more that the extreme left is so far left they're almost right, and the extreme right is so far right that they're almost left. They're essentially mirror images of one another. But yes, Spencer is NOT a conservative, he's a Nazi. He's definitely at odds with traditional conservatism, although Trump and the nationalist-populist wing of the Republican Party are bringing it closer to Spencer's side, which is why Spencer supported Trump so much. And Trump is definitely not a conservative either.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Well, anyone who is interested can easily find the list themselves and then assess the credibility of the award and of you.

They dont even need to look I will post it myself since you are such a coward that you cant actually give reasons for faulting it yourself and only want to personally attack me while you do nothing to actually directly refute Sowell as well, again, typically. You have done zero to prove your case or advance the topic, congrats and its good you didnt since what ever you post will be easily smashed since you cant form an actual case yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Boyer_Award

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Its brilliantly ironic that everyone in this thread that's giving D'Souza shit for being a felon...

...really wishes Hillary Clinton was president.

The choice was between her and Trump. They're BOTH criminals. It wasn't much of a choice, was it? I don't begrudge reasonable people on either side who reluctantly voted for either one. However, I really do question those that are incredibly enthusiastic about either.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Did you miss the part where Spencer said he believes rights come from the state and that no individual exists outside of the collective? That is the basic premise and fundamental basis for Communism, socialism, nazism, white nationalism, and every other form of oppressive, authoritarian society/system. Conservatives believe rights come from God and individuals have personal liberty apart from the collective.

It was also only a short clip to a bigger section of the movie. He did alot more to make his case than ask Spencer about his favorite presidents.

Is it really that difficult for you and your ilk to understand that there are BOTH left-wing AND right-wing collectivists and authoritarians. Spencer is a right-wing collectivist and authoritarian, simple as that. He has some things in common with left-wing collectivists and authoritarians, but that's about it. There are BOTH right wingers and left wingers who believe in individualism and personal liberty, traditional conservatives and liberals. Your problem is that you're tying Nazis, communists and liberals into the same ideology and party, which is simply incorrect. Please educate yourself and learn to think critically about these things.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

How many times has Hillary been investigated by Republicans who can't pin a thing on her, and morons like you still think she is a felon?

She's a criminal, just like her husband and just like Trump. We have a system with legalized bribery now, of course her and her team are smart enough and well-connected enough to get away with it. Doesn't mean she isn't a crook, though. She stole a TON of money from Haiti and from around the world and all types of bribes and corruption. Trump is just as bad though, if not worse. He's compromised by Russian money at the very least, if not by kompromat they've collected on him over the years.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I mean, just a couple of days ago you were denying that WP exists and even that anyone would have a reasonable basis for mistakenly believing it, and now you're saying that of course it exists. Were you just trolling before? Or now? Did you look into the issue and realize that you were wrong? What's going on?

I gained some better understanding by carefully reading what Shelby Steele had to say. It was extremely ignorant of me to deny that some whites have an advantage in the USA and Canada.

 

[TheComebackKid]

So Southern Democrat whites and blacks switched parties for absolutely no reason? No realignment?

A couple of points Dinesh makes in the film:

1) Blacks were voting democrat as early as the FDR administration mainly due to the New Deal. Also, need I remind you of the famous LBJ quote about having them blankity blanks voting democrat for a 200 years? It wasn't civil rights that had black people voting democrats...it was social welfare(to our eternal shame imo).

2) Out of all the Dixiecrats, who were overt racists for decades, only 2 of them actually switched parties. That means all those politicians who were actively working to oppress black americans for decades stayed in the Democrat for decades. Think Robert Byrd. Are you telling me someone like this KKK grand wizard had a change of heart or do you think maybe he saw the wisdom in LBJ's quote and decided to take advantage of black americans through social welfare? Which do you think is more likely?

3) There are no racist republican campaign slogans, speeches, policies, or agendas being promoted to southern voters in the 60s, 70s, or 80s that liberals can point to. The best they can point to are "dog whistles" and subliminal messages about law and order.

4) Nixon didn't have a southern strategy but actually a rustbelt strategy

 

[TheComebackKid]

And Trump is definitely not a conservative either.

How so?

Is it really that difficult for you and your ilk to understand that there are BOTH left-wing AND right-wing collectivists and authoritarians. Spencer is a right-wing collectivist and authoritarian, simple as that.

No such thing. The extreme left end of the spectrum is fascism and authoritarianism and the extreme right end of the spectrum is anarchy. There is no such thing as anarchistic authoritarianism lol. Now, there are forms of fascism/authoritarianism that are based on right wing social and moral tenets. So perhaps you could call that right wing collectivism. But in terms of strictly government structure and philosophy there is no right wing authoritarianism. Even if you are talking about a theocracy. The social and moral tenets may be right wing/conservative but the actual structure of the government is still left wing due to it's collectivist premise.

The thing that made Hitler's government a facist and authoritarian one wasn't the Nationalist portion of his platform...it was his Socialism portion. You can be a non-authoritarian Nationalist...but you can't be a non-authoritarian Socialist.

But at a certain point this can turn into a semantics debate. The important point to take away is that your average conservative trump/republican voter is not going to be voting and supporting a collectivist ideology that says individual rights and liberties are provided by and subject to the "state". There is no part of the conservative ideology that is going to support censoring free speech, limiting gun rights, censoring the free press, stopping the right to free assembly, high taxes and regulations, ect. The minute they do they begin to be non-conservatives.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

A couple of points Dinesh makes in the film:

1) Blacks were voting democrat as early as the FDR administration mainly due to the New Deal. Also, need I remind you of the famous LBJ quote about having them blankity blanks voting democrat for a 200 years? It wasn't civil rights that had black people voting democrats...it was social welfare(to our eternal shame imo).

2) Out of all the Dixiecrats, who were overt racists for decades, only 2 of them actually switched parties. That means all those politicians who were actively working to oppress black americans for decades stayed in the Democrat for decades. Think Robert Byrd. Are you telling me someone like this KKK grand wizard had a change of heart or do you think maybe he saw the wisdom in LBJ's quote and decided to take advantage of black americans through social welfare? Which do you think is more likely?

3) There are no racist republican campaign slogans, speeches, policies, or agendas being promoted to southern voters in the 60s, 70s, or 80s that liberals can point to. The best they can point to are "dog whistles" and subliminal messages about law and order.

4) Nixon didn't have a southern strategy but actually a rustbelt strategy

Yes, a majority of blacks were voting that way from that point, but there are a few things to consider. One, is that the more conservative/religious blacks who lived in the rural South were literally not allowed to vote. So it was mostly blacks who lived in larger more liberal cities that were allowed to vote. There were still a substantial amount of blacks voting Republican, about 5-10x as much as do now. And it wasn't until party realignment in the 1960s that blacks really stopped voting Republican in large numbers. In fact, MLK's father was going to vote for Nixon in 1960 because he wanted to vote for a Protestant instead of a Catholic. He only changed his mind when JFK called a judge on his son's behalf and helped secure his release from jail.

There were actually three Dixiecrats who switched parties, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and Mills E. Godwin, Jr. I'm not entirely convinced of the veracity of that supposed LBJ quote. I'm not entirely sure how they "took advantage" of black Americans either. Black Americans supported Democratic policy more than Republican policy for a wide variety of reasons. Hell, working-class whites were reliable Democratic voters until they became alienated recently with identity politics.

The Southern strategy is well documented, the man who devised the strategy, Lee Atwater, has talked openly about it. It's been acknowledged by heads of the Republican National Committee. It's as real as it gets.

Yes he did, and Atwater and others have confirmed this.

 

[Quequeg]

She's a criminal, just like her husband and just like Trump. We have a system with legalized bribery now, of course her and her team are smart enough and well-connected enough to get away with it. Doesn't mean she isn't a crook, though. She stole a TON of money from Haiti and from around the world and all types of bribes and corruption. Trump is just as bad though, if not worse. He's compromised by Russian money at the very least, if not by kompromat they've collected on him over the years.

Hillary is no more criminal then any lifelong politician and much less then Trump