The END of the G.O.A.T. Debate

Gsp's round winning streak is more impressive when considering that Fedor fought such low quality competition so often, and GSP fought the best in his division everytime (except Hardy).

Gsp's longevity is also more inpressive. At 36 gsp won mw belt. At 36 Fedor got flatlined by Hendo.

Advantage GSP.

Ya but in the HW division you can be ko easily. Any of the 240+ HW would ko gsp stiff lol.
 
I prefered the all out wars the HWs put on during those years as opposed to some of the point fighting we have now. Thats not to say there havent been some great fights in this era,

People always seem to overrate the past and underrate the present
 
Its kinda hard to avenge your losses when you lose in your 11th year unlike GSP who lost in like his first few years of fighting. He beat Hughes and Serra in rematches.

Nog was the #2 guy for like 6 years. Cro Cop was #3 for 6 years. They were knocking other contenders down the ladder like Werdum, Sergei, Barnett and Aleks.

You must be counting Hardy, Serra and BJ in those 18 top 5 wins. It sure is easier to be ranked at WW than HW isn't it?

That 0-1 fake wrestler was Fedor's 5th fight that year. He got paid big to smash Nagata at Inoki show. Should he have just stayed home for a whole year like Stipe is doing now? No, Fedor had already fought 4 times that year but took that extra fight to make money.

You must not know anything about making money. Does your mom pay for everything? We can't fault the man for taking a 5th fight that year. He had a big contract dispute with PRIDE that NYE and that is why he fought Nagata that night. He probably made a million or 2 and still fought as many top guys as GSP did that year and the next year.

Hey dummy, it’s not me counting those top 5 wins…it’s fact, well known fact. Here is another fact, fedor doesn’t have as many top 5 wins as GSP even though he went 10 years undefeated. Want to know why? Because he fought cans, lots of em. You can try and twist this anyway you want but your long novel posts are just Turds covered in fancy wrapping paper… its bullshit opinion and my short response is FACTS!!
 
Notice how no one is making multiple threads a day explaining why GSP is goat? Yeah, because GSP fans know hes the GOAT. Fedor fans are trying to convince everyone after GSP easily claimed the goat title. No serious fan is ranking Fedor above GSP

So much truth in this posts. Fanboys are so fucking insecure it is pathetic. It’s the same 5-10 posters shit posting away and liking each other posts. Desperation mode for them!
 
TLDR

P4P it's GSP and it's not even debatable.

In reality (ignoring p4p bullshit) Fedor is the GOAT. The real GOAT has to be a HW.
How dare you put GSP over our beloved Conor McGreegor
 
Stopped reading here. Fuck off with this bullshit. Prime Fedor was 235LBs. About the same weight as Werdum, JDS, Cain, Cro Cop, Nog, Randy and almost every great HW. Hell allot of Fedors toughest fights were vs guys he outweighed

Fedor was the same size as Cain yet you don’t hear a choir of dumbass posters calling Cain a mw with a belly like they try and do with fedora. Doesn’t fit their agenda…
 
Everyone who said Fedor said so 1) when he was actually beating people and not getting KO'd by MW's) 2) because guys like GSP and Anderson are humble enough not to say "I'm the GOAT".

The vast majority of people in the know (journalists, fighters, ect) agree that GSP is the best

Don't know man.

Most of the interviews I saw with fighters would claim him as GOAT.

Even Sherdog put him in number one.
 
Cant prove to me that none of these other fighters weren't on the juice themselves. Back in Pride it was encouraged through their contracts..The fighters you have listed that were clean just didn't get caught. Fedor never had a body of a cheater though so there is that I won't deny but the others we have no idea. I think it's fair to say that at least 60-85% of these guys have used PED's at one point or another in their career. That being said PED's don't make you a better fighter, they help you to recover faster so that you can train more. They don't improve your hand eye coordination.

I laugh when PED's are thrown into these convo's because most of your favorite fighters from the past and present have used at one time or another
 
Another one of these threads...
To be fair, I think these threads are coming up because it's been all the more established who the true all time best is in light of UFC 217 and the drug busts of Jones and Anderson. I think the majority of fight fans are on board with or warming up to the concept of St Pierre being the genuine best ever. If he could jsut get one more major win against a current prominent WW or MW, it would seal the deal for pretty much anyone looking at this rationally.
 
Fedor's unbeaten streak isn't that impressive when you consider half the people he fought were freakshow can fights

Every fighter GSP has beaten in the UFC has been top 10 with the exception of Jay Heiron and most were top 5. That's insane

A lot of people bring this up. Yes he fought some "Cans" during his run, but he was more active than any other G.O.A.T. candidate and fought the same amount of top tier opponents as all of them. The "freakshow" fights didn't affect his ability to consistently fight elite HWs throughout his entire PEAK.
 
Yes, silly hyperbole in the Conor passages... so now the Aldo KO was with 12 seconds? Next month it will be 11 seconds.

Why mess up your credibility with such a stupid exaggeration?

Thread fails.

Yeah my bad lol! How could I screw TURTEEN SECUNDS? That wasn't intentional.
 
Notice how no one is making multiple threads a day explaining why GSP is goat? Yeah, because GSP fans know hes the GOAT. Fedor fans are trying to convince everyone after GSP easily claimed the goat title. No serious fan is ranking Fedor above GSP

Yeah the majority of fans started watching after Fedor lost and almost all of them missed out on his PEAK. It makes since that people don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

GSP, Anderson, Wand, Chuck, Rampage, Jones, etc...... Have stated on numerous occasions that Fedor was the greatest fighter of all time.
 
Stopped reading here. Fuck off with this bullshit. Prime Fedor was 235LBs. About the same weight as Werdum, JDS, Cain, Cro Cop, Nog, Randy and almost every great HW. Hell allot of Fedors toughest fights were vs guys he outweighed

Sure carrying around extra fat he was. A lean Fedor would be an average to small LHW by today's standards.
 
Yeah the majority of fans started watching after Fedor lost and almost all of them missed out on his PEAK. It makes since that people don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

GSP, Anderson, Wand, Chuck, Rampage, Jones, etc...... Have stated on numerous occasions that Fedor was the greatest fighter of all time.
All those people are wrong and GSP is just being humble when he says it. Its crystal clear now, before I could see the argument though. Fedor KOd stiff in his last fight. GSP put on the performance of his career.

Bisping is way tougher opponent than Meathead
 
People always seem to overrate the past and underrate the present
Most of the HWs from the past are still fighting in the present as the top HWs. They were better on roids and in their prime.
 
All those people are wrong and GSP is just being humble when he says it. Its crystal clear now, before I could see the argument though. Fedor KOd stiff in his last fight. GSP put on the performance of his career.

Bisping is way tougher opponent than Meathead

Are you insinuating that Fedor is anywhere near his Prime? Fedor first retired in 2012 well past his prime. He came back in 2015 and has looked even worse. Sure the losses after coming look bad, but they don't tarnish what he already accomplished and what he achieved makes him the best ever.

GSP on the other hand was in top form when he retired and came back looking just as good. It's an amazing feat and hugely raises his stock, but still not to Fedor's level.
 
Most of the HWs from the past are still fighting in the present as the top HWs. They were better on roids and in their prime.

I mean we only know that Barnett was for sure on roids from that era..... And Cro Cop didn't pop until way late in his career while rehabbing an injury.

Nog, Fedor, Hunt and Arvloski never did.
 
I mean we only know that Barnett was for sure on roids from that era..... And Cro Cop didn't pop until way late in his career while rehabbing an injury.

Nog, Fedor, Hunt and Arvloski never did.
yeah dont get me wrong, Im not saying everyone was on it. But there was no reason not to be all things considered. Either way I dont hold it against the fighters if it wasnt against the rules.
 
Sure carrying around extra fat he was. A lean Fedor would be an average to small LHW by today's standards.
The problem is that you and so many new MMA fans do not know who Fedor was in his prime. You guys only know the latter years StrikeForce Fedor.

Fedor did not carry any useless weight in his prime. He was a bear of a man and built like a power house.

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There are so many people who think if you are not built like GSP it is all useless weight. The type of mass Fedor carried was all functional. It helped him over power and hold down and out muscle and submit opponents.

Despite me being one of GSP's biggest fans on this site I've always had Fedor ahead in the GOAT rankings until this last GSP win and I still am ok with others still having Fedor ahead.

But this bullshit about Fedor not being suited to HW needs to stop. He was pretty much ideally sized for HW and all the best guys were around his size/weight. the much bigger guys tended to be the easier wins.
 
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