The Hard Right Is Hypocritical to the Core, And I Can Prove It in One Sentence

[HomerThompson]

Jack accurately pointed out that you were lying, and corrected the record. I wouldn't consider dispensing knowingly false information to be a better use of your time than investigating truth, but YMMV.

Talking in the 3rd person now, are we?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Talking in the 3rd person now, are we?

Just a response to Farmer's childish "I'm going to talk about Jack in threads he's in, but I won't dare address him directly" thing. I'm right here. Come at me.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

You know the delicious irony here?

National Debt By % of GDP

Sweden... 42%
Denmark... 37%

United States... 104%

So, yes, if Sweden and Denmark are "socialist countries," like the right is constantly (and inaccurately) accusing, then apparently socialist do care about the national debt a lot more than 'Mericans.

https://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/sweden

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

 

[HomerThompson]

Just a response to Farmer's childish "I'm going to talk about Jack in threads he's in, but I won't dare address him directly" thing. I'm right here. Come at me.

Homer's not sure what to think. You guys know he's just a troll account, right?

 

[kpt018]

Liberalism is the belief in the perfectibility of human institutions. ("If we just add one more law, just regulate that a bit more, just restrict the access to this, and then we will finally have Utopia!)

Conservatism is the recognition that human nature is imperfect, therefore any institution run by humans is vulnerable to corruption. The larger the institution, the larger the likelihood for corruption.

I think this is very wrong but it would be a little less wrong if you reversed it.

The reason liberals are quicker to believe in the power of institutions is that individuals are imperfect and want systems and safety nets to help mitigate the damage of imperfect people and systems. We know employers are imperfect so we fight for worker rights. We know the economy is not perfect so we want safety nets to help unlucky victims of it. We want to protect the environment because we know imperfect companies and people would harm it for profit. Etc.

Conservatives are the ones who want to leave it to individuals and less government/institutions (with some exceptions of course). They want more power for employers.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Homer's not sure what to think. You guys know he's just a troll account, right?

Did not know. Seems pretty earnest, but you might be right.

I think this is very wrong but it would be a little less wrong if you reversed it.

The reason liberals are quicker to believe in the power institutions is that individuals are imperfect and want systems and safety nets to help mitigate the damage of imperfect people and systems.

Conservatives are the ones who want to leave it to individuals and less government/institutions (with some exceptions of course).

I'd say that liberals have a stronger belief that incentives matter and thus that incentive structures have a large impact on outcomes. I don't think the description of conservatives fits at all. If you look at someone like Kirk, he's a strong believer in the value of community and strongly rejects individualism. If you look at what passes for conservatism these days, like Trump, it's strongly authoritarian.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You know the delicious irony here?

National Debt By % of GDP

Sweden... 42%
Denmark... 37%

United States... 104%

So, yes, if Sweden and Denmark are "socialist countries," like the right is constantly (and inaccurately) accusing, then apparently socialist do care about the national debt a lot more than 'Mericans.

https://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/sweden

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

And within America, the left is far more fiscally conservative. Again, the difference is that if you like anti-poverty and pro-growth programs, you need to pay for them. If you only care about cutting taxes for rich people, deficits are actually good (because they promote more spending cuts, which makes further tax cuts feasible).

 

[kpt018]

Did not know. Seems pretty earnest, but you might be right.



I'd say that liberals have a stronger belief that incentives matter and thus that incentive structures have a large impact on outcomes. I don't think the description of conservatives fits at all. If you look at someone like Kirk, he's a strong believer in the value of community and strongly rejects individualism. If you look at what passes for conservatism these days, like Trump, it's strongly authoritarian.

Fair. I suppose I was addressing the idea of "rugged individual" and "pull yourself up from your bootstrap" stuff, but of course you're right.

 

[Rod1]

Can you name me a consistent debt and deficit hawk in the Democratic party that will actually hold up legislation over the matter when their party is in power?

Bill Clinton, you know the guy that actually got a surplus.

Or even Hillary who voted against Bush deficit exploding stimulus bill.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Homer's not sure what to think

What do you think Homer?






THE ROCK DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK!

 

[Quequeg]

Dump

Crying again.

 

[HomerThompson]

What do you think Homer?






THE ROCK DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK!

LOL. Sometime when I was really drunk in college, I would act like The Rock for unnecessarily large amounts of time. Even at big parties, and shit.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

LOL. Sometime when I was really drunk in college, I would act like The Rock for unnecessarily large amounts of time. Even at big parties, and shit.

Better than acting like Virgil at parties..

 

[Anung Un Rama]

edit: @Edison Carasio beat me to it

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

edit: @Edison Carasio beat me to it

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Bill Clinton, you know the guy that actually got a surplus.

Or even Hillary who voted against Bush deficit exploding stimulus bill.

Hillary also voted for the Iraq/ Afghanistan Wars, pushed for intervention in Libya, and supported intervention in Syria, which cost the US taxpayer $6,000,000,000,000

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You know the delicious irony here?

National Debt By % of GDP

Sweden... 42%
Denmark... 37%

United States... 104%

So, yes, if Sweden and Denmark are "socialist countries," like the right is constantly (and inaccurately) accusing, then apparently socialist do care about the national debt a lot more than 'Mericans.

https://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/sweden

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

But we can't do that because.... because..... they're smaller and weaker than us and America is #1

 

[44nutman]

Anyone who supported Obama doesn't get to complain about the national debt.

I suppose someone could, but no one would take that person seriously.

An Obama supporter complaining about the national debt would be like Dick Cheney calling someone a War Monger.

It's absurd on the face of it.

Also, the Republican party has standard bearers like Rand Paul who are constantly holding up legislation in attempts to reduce the debt and the deficit. Can you name me a consistent debt and deficit hawk in the Democratic party that will actually hold up legislation over the matter when their party is in power?

William Jefferson balanced the budget. Can’t remember his party.
It is a fact when GOP is in control they have consistently raised the deficit.
Fiscal Conservative and Family Values have become a punch line.

 

[King in the North]

Literally everyday Republicans (specifically Trump hardliners) show their hypocritical nature. You will never again see a politician and their supporters contradict themselves on such a regular basis.

The “moderate” republicans have no backbone. Anyone still supporting the president is mentally ill. It’s the same people who dispute the president being a racist, or a sexual predator, or denying he mocked a disabled man, despite there being video and audio evidence of all these events.

He’s a joke. They’re a joke. The democrats better get a decent horse in the race. This is their fault, really.

What a mess.

 

[Quequeg]

Literally everyday Republicans (specifically Trump hardliners) show their hypocritical nature. You will never again see a politician and their supporters contradict themselves on such a regular basis.

The “moderate” republicans have no backbone. Anyone still supporting the president is mentally ill. It’s the same people who dispute the president being a racist, or a sexual predator, or denying he mocked a disabled man, despite there being video and audio evidence of all these events.

He’s a joke. They’re a joke. The democrats better get a decent horse in the race. This is their fault, really.

What a mess.

The worst part is the "moderate" Republicans know exactly what Trump is and are just too cowardly to do anything about it. Notice how the only ones speaking out are retiring.