The Unexamined Brutality of the Male Libido

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The Unexamined Brutality of the Male Libido

After weeks of continuously unfolding abuse scandals, men have become, quite literally, unbelievable. ...a man’s stated opinions have next to no relationship to behavior.

Through sheer bulk, the string of revelations about men from Bill Cosby to Roger Ailes to Harvey Weinstein to Louis C.K. to Al Franken and, this week, to Charlie Rose and John Lasseter, have forced men to confront what they hate to think about most: the nature of men in general.

This time the accusations aren’t against some freak geography teacher, some frat running amok in a Southern college town. They’re against men of all different varieties, in different industries, with different sensibilities, bound together, solely, by the grotesquerie of their sexuality...

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Almost all are uninterested or unwilling to grapple with the problem at the heart of all this: the often ugly and dangerous nature of the male libido.

For most of history, we’ve taken for granted the implicit brutality of male sexuality. In 1976, the radical feminist and pornography opponent Andrea Dworkin said that the only sex between a man and a woman that could be undertaken without violence was sex with a flaccid penis: “I think that men will have to give up their precious erections,” she wrote. In the third century A.D., it is widely believed, the great Catholic theologian Origen, working on roughly the same principle, castrated himself.

Fear of the male libido has been the subject of myth and of fairy tale from the beginning of literature:..


... The (very few) prominent men who are speaking up now basically just insist that men need to be better feminists — as if the past few weeks have not amply demonstrated that the ideologies of men are irrelevant.

...How can healthy sexuality ever occur in conditions in which men and women are not equal? How are we supposed to create an equal world when male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal? We cannot answer these questions unless we face them....


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A second but balancing read for those who want to read it.

Even post-Weinstein, we cannot outsource justice to a mob

The women who report to the media are implicitly asking the public to punish the alleged wrongdoers on their behalf


It is interesting — but no longer surprising — that victims would choose to go directly to the media with their accounts of sexual harassment: it’s darn effective for getting quick results. Yet, for this same reason, the public reporting process is also disconcerting...

The very public nature of sexual harassment reporting is both the best and worst thing about this seemingly bottomless debacle. To change anything, this endemic problem needed to be blown wide open. At the same time, public reporting is not an adequate response to the problem.

Before Weinstein, many men clearly assumed they could get away with predatory, lewd, disrespectful behaviour — particularly in their workplaces...

Widespread, public reporting of the kind we’re now seeing is necessary if men of this ilk are going to adjust their risk calculus. If individuals can no longer bank on a victim’s silence, at least some will refrain from chancing that inappropriate pass.

But the public “naming and shaming” ritual encouraged by this debacle is also unsatisfactory. In effect, the self-identified victims who go to the media are pursuing a form of vigilante justice. They want something — catharsis perhaps, or recognition, or retribution, or revenge — that they think the public can deliver. In a word, they want justice.

Now, these accusers may have any number of reasons for circumventing traditional legal channels. Perhaps they fear it, or can’t afford it, or don’t have faith that the legal system or their employers will deliver just results, or don’t think they have suffered wrongs that are recognized as such by the system. In some cases, a newspaper’s investigative team may have even solicited their stories (as seems to have occurred with at least parts of The New York Times’ Weinstein investigation). What is clear, though, is that the women who report to the media are implicitly asking the public to punish the alleged wrongdoers on their behalf — without any full airing of the facts.

The idea of justice by public mobbing has traditionally been anathema to a society like ours. Democratic countries are committed to delivering justice (or at least some semblance of it) through formal channels, which include checks and balances, protections for both sides, and all the rest.

...Indeed, the whole premise of the “believe victims” movement is that the public should simply take self-identified victims at their word. ...

...A number of the men who have recently been accused of misconduct have said they don’t recall the impugned incident, or don’t accept the accuser’s recounting of it. Is it really impossible to believe that there may be two sides to these stories?...

...But absent cases where someone accepts full responsibility for the wrongdoing of which they’ve been accused, we’d do well to maintain at least a kernel of skepticism about the claims of both accusers and accused persons. Certainly, Canadians should have learned that much when they saw many of the accusers’ claims against the CBC’s Jian Ghomeshi crumble under judicial scrutiny...

The pre-Weinstein world was obviously no Eden. There’s a reason victims have turned to the media to get their stories out. But the post-Weinstein world is also problematic. It risks replacing one form of injustice with another.

 
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...How can healthy sexuality ever occur in conditions in which men and women are not equal? How are we supposed to create an equal world when male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal? We cannot answer these questions unless we face them....

Welcome to the realities of evolution.
 
Welcome to the realities of evolution.
The problem is IMO that sexuality is inherently ugly in hindsight.

Not just the male side but also the female side.

The big difference being that women have been told over the last few decades that they are victims of all things male and that frames to many females view of things and men have been told they are aggressors ot it is laughable for them to feel like a victim or abuse.

NO doubt there is legit abuse in both directions but consensual sex is not abuse. A guy hitting on a woman is not abuse. A guy continuing to hit on a woman even after she shows no interest is not abuse. A male boss hitting on a female employee is not abuse even with the power imbalance.

Things only become abusive when people refuse to accept clear rejections and THEN keep pushing or use power and influence to either try and coerce the person or punish them after for saying no.
 
It's an interesting read but I'm not sure where the author is going with this. The dominance element in male-female sexual engagement is well documented so there's nothing new here. However, the author somewhat ignores that forced penetration rape is a dominance display even against other men - and that has nothing to do with libido, it's purely about power.

Frank discussions about the elements of masculinity, both positive and negative, is always a good thing though.
 
Stephen Marche sounds like an angry lesbian who was molested by zer uncle as a kid. A closet power bottom. Quoting Dwarkin is a big red flag.

Yeah, lots of men have done many despicable things. And? Are we to pre judge half the planet by the actions of the few? Nope. Fuck this guy, and fuck sexual predators.
 
Humans have it pretty good IMO. The male libido in almost every other species will kill their competition, to death, and just take the females. Why arent we shaming the real rapists of the world?
 
we all want beautiful women but because we not all equal, and women tribal and racist (at least in non white west) it cause men go crazy and stuff. who they decide have kids with and even bang for fun says a lot. racism natural, tribalism spread genes natural.

these men who harass women is by and large not most physically appealing. they got status and power but still cannot get elite beautiful women to get wet for them. this make them angry and they act entitle and harass.

A stud not need to do that. if you are sexy to women even your flashing yourself and stuff not turn them off and get them call police. i not say rape and stuff okay and women not like but good looking guys can push boundaries.
 
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The Unexamined Brutality of the Male Libido

After weeks of continuously unfolding abuse scandals, men have become, quite literally, unbelievable. ...a man’s stated opinions have next to no relationship to behavior.

Through sheer bulk, the string of revelations about men from Bill Cosby to Roger Ailes to Harvey Weinstein to Louis C.K. to Al Franken and, this week, to Charlie Rose and John Lasseter, have forced men to confront what they hate to think about most: the nature of men in general.

This time the accusations aren’t against some freak geography teacher, some frat running amok in a Southern college town. They’re against men of all different varieties, in different industries, with different sensibilities, bound together, solely, by the grotesquerie of their sexuality...

...
Almost all are uninterested or unwilling to grapple with the problem at the heart of all this: the often ugly and dangerous nature of the male libido.

For most of history, we’ve taken for granted the implicit brutality of male sexuality. In 1976, the radical feminist and pornography opponent Andrea Dworkin said that the only sex between a man and a woman that could be undertaken without violence was sex with a flaccid penis: “I think that men will have to give up their precious erections,” she wrote. In the third century A.D., it is widely believed, the great Catholic theologian Origen, working on roughly the same principle, castrated himself.

Fear of the male libido has been the subject of myth and of fairy tale from the beginning of literature:..


... The (very few) prominent men who are speaking up now basically just insist that men need to be better feminists — as if the past few weeks have not amply demonstrated that the ideologies of men are irrelevant.

...How can healthy sexuality ever occur in conditions in which men and women are not equal? How are we supposed to create an equal world when male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal? We cannot answer these questions unless we face them....

The guy makes some decent points. Let's take a look at something our closest relatives would do:



I think the traditional approach of building a civilization that acknowledges and is wary of excessive male libido is superior to pretending like us men don't have that chimp inside us somewhere.
 
Hypocrisy....

When someone suggests that all people of African descent are less intelligent than Whites, based on average IQ scores in Norther Europe vs Sub-Saharan Africa, that's called racism. In this area apparently, we're smart enough to know that applying averages to individuals isn't productive or valuable,

When someone claims that all men are savages, barely in control of their sexual urges, based on the fact that some men are sexual predators, that makes perfect sense. SO here we can go right ahead and apply averages of a population to the individual, and there's nothing wrong.

Hypocrisy....
 
Is it correct to say that if it wasn't for some forced sexual intercourse many thousands of years ago we wouldn't be here nowadays? Not justifying what is happening now or anything. Just saying that this behaviour is still present in some men due to genetics probably. So its natural but unsocial behaviour.
 
Humans have it pretty good IMO. The male libido in almost every other species will kill their competition, to death, and just take the females. Why arent we shaming the real rapists of the world?
They'll kill them...









to death!?
 
Dude can kiss my ass if he thinks I'm going to accept responsibility for something I had nothing to do with. What a neat trick to say for decades that the leftist/feminist culture is going to protect women, then when it doesn't work and 2 of the most leftist institutions, Hollywood and college campuses, have a bunch of cases of sexual assault, to turn around and just say "men are the problem" as if I did something wrong just for being a male.


But let's toss in a few more Andrea Dworkin quotes, cause she's not speaking out of rejection and bitterness at all.

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Dude can kiss my ass if he thinks I'm going to accept responsibility for something I had nothing to do with. What a neat trick to say for decades that the leftist/feminist culture is going to protect women, then when it doesn't work and 2 of the most leftist institutions, Hollywood and college campuses, have a bunch of cases of sexual assault, to turn around and just say "men are the problem" as if I did something wrong just for being a male.


But let's toss in a few more Andrea Dworkin quotes, cause she's not speaking out of rejection and bitterness at all.

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She seems fun.
 
It's an interesting read but I'm not sure where the author is going with this. The dominance element in male-female sexual engagement is well documented so there's nothing new here. However, the author somewhat ignores that forced penetration rape is a dominance display even against other men - and that has nothing to do with libido, it's purely about power.

Frank discussions about the elements of masculinity, both positive and negative, is always a good thing though.
I disagree that its nothing to do with libido and only power, I don't think that's ever true of rape. Sure maybe in some circumstances its primarily about power but I think if you're raping someone, its because you want to get your dick wet on some level. Male on male rape is usually prevalent in settings where there aren't many women like prisons and the military, I don't think that's an accident. The lack of the preferred outlet might lead some men to take desperate measures.

As far as the OP goes, I definitely think there's truth to it. However, I think that the inherently brutal nature of the male libido is also the same well spring that generates the success we want from men. Notice all the men that have been accused are highly successful, not fucking scrubs. Men are built and expected to be the aggressors, the initiators, to have drive. These same qualities which we would want to encourage in men have their downsides. To try to castrate the male libido, to make it something harmless, I think would also lead to a kind of meekness. We would be left with the Japanese herbivore, a rather pathetic impotent male.
Herbivore men is a term used in Japan to describe men who have no interest in getting married or finding a girlfriend. The term herbivore men was also a term that is described as young men who had lost their "manliness".

Surveys of single Japanese men conducted in 2010 found that 61% of men in their 20s and 70% of men in their 30s considered themselves to be herbivores. Japan's government views the phenomenon as one possible cause of the nation's declining birth rate.
According to Fukasawa, herbivore men are "not without romantic relationships, but have a non-assertive, indifferent attitude toward desires of flesh". The philosopher Masahiro Morioka defines herbivore men as "kind and gentle men who, without being bound by manliness, do not pursue romantic relationships voraciously and have no aptitude for being hurt or hurting others."
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What?

We all evolve into pussies?

I digress, humanity has become soft, and let those that naturally would die, to flourish
No... we are trying to force ourselves to evolve into something that didnt come naturally. We are trying to play god.
 
I wonder when the BLM-like request from Feminists will be for men to willingly take hormone blockers or even go the full nine yards and get neutered?
 

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