The War On Asian-American Students' Success: Harvard Affirmative Action Lawsuit Goes To Trial

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  1. MicroBrew

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    It's isn't discrimination based solely on race. Race is just 1 factor.

    Folks typically focus on the racial aspect of AA, and especially associate AA with Blacks.

    - Going by raw numbers, more Whites get AA than Blacks and Native Americans combined.

    - Women get AA. And as such White women are the majority of AA recipients. Some White guys even have their business under a female family member, to make use of AA.

    - Hispanics get AA. There are more Hispanics in the US than Blacks. A large % of Hispanics are White or self-identify as White. Prior to the 1970s, the US census classified Hispanics as White.

    All these Hispanics, are eligible for Affirmative Action :
    Cameron Diaz,
    Desi Arnaz (co-lead actor of the classic sitcom I love Lucy),
    Ted Cruz,
    Marco Rubio,
    Director Guillermo Del Toro (Pan Labyrinth , Shape of Water),
    Giselle Bundchen (German ancestry Brazilian supermodel and Tom Brady's wife),
    Geraldo Riviera (talk show host, Jewish Cuban)
    former President of Mexico Vicente Fox would be eligible for AA if he moved to the US.
    2nd or 3rd richest man in the world Carlos Slim (Mexican of Lebanese ancestry) would be eligible for AA if he moved to the US. He owns a substantial stake of the NYT.
    Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, who is Jewish Hispanic

    There are tons of everyday Hispanics who look like Southern Europeans , and many that look Northern Europeans. A White male does get Affirmative Action, if he can claim Hispanic cultural background.
    Both @Rod1 and @ElKarlo are Hispanic posters who are White.
     
  2. Rod1

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    Im white now? cool.
     
  3. MicroBrew

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    Didn't you say in a thread some months back that you were Mexican of White ancestry? Or that you look White?
     
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    Looking white and being white are pretty different things.

    I have light skin and a lot of european features, but white is a social construct and going by the American one drop rule im not white.

    One isnt white in Mexico, one has "white skin" as a feature.

    There is a picture of me in the Mayberry thread.
     
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    You've clearly internalized your oppressors morality. read Genealogy of Morals it will explain a lot.
     
  7. MicroBrew

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    Technically speaking: White = European and MENA according to US census. Realistically, White = if you look European. Ultimately it comes down to phenotype, which generally aligns with genotype.

    I don't really understand how you can say one isn't White in Mexico. Mexico's elite look White , along with the elites of most of South America. Mexico does have a caste system, with fully European (Criollos) or mostly European ancestry dominating the upper echelons. How is Vincente Fox not White? Salma Hayek and Carlos Slim are both White, since both are Caucasoid and US census classifies Levantines as White. Now the average American probably does not see Lebanese as White, but if they can pass, then they are assumed to be White. No one says Ralph Nader, Ray Lahood, Shia Lebouf are not White. And look at Guillermo Del Torro, that guy would be seen as White by all Americans.

    Before the 70s, Hispanics were White, thought in the 30s Mexican was classified as a race but LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens) protested and stated Mexicans were White.The Mexican label was removed from Census racial categories.
     
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    It's not fascinating and it isn't nuanced until you can prove that the non-Asians are getting in because of other factors. Why do you assume that non-Asians participate and excel in extra-curricular activities at a higher rate than Asians? From my own experience (I attended a school that was ~75% Asian), Asians were more likely to play an instrument, attend clubs and attend academic competitions. The only thing they didn't do at a higher rate than others was play sports.

    And in the end, the discrepancy is high enough to show that it is obviously discrimination against Asians and whites. You can make up whatever bullshit you want about it, but it's so clear as day that those people are being rejected at higher rates than others. And one might say that they are just helping blacks/hispanics, but when the number of positions is limited then it really is just discriminating against others.
     
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    @MicroBrew thanks for the shout out
    I'm mixed though. My dad is white, and I pass as white. Was told by an Israeli soldier thst I look like a Bulgarian . Which falls in your souther. European.
    And yes I use Aa, or did when. I loved in the US
     
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    People can think what they want, i refuse to pick a side in the non-sense that its XIX century racialism.

    So lets simply put is as "i look white" or "Im mainly of caucasian heritage", but i wont deny the fact that as most Mexicans im just a mongrel.
     
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    I mentioned you and the case of White Hispanics because I recall you saying you had benefited indirectly or directly from from looking White in a society where it is advantageous to be White. Ofcourse these weren't your exact words but the gist of what you were saying (to the best of my recollection).
     
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    No doubt about it, im considered to be more attractive, wealthier and educated based on how i look from birth and thus i get preferential treatment in a lot of places.

    But saying "Im white" sounds like im denying the native heritage.
     
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    Wut? I just stated multiple times AA is discriminatory and unfair?
     
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    I must have confused your posts with someone else my apologies.
     
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    If it could be shown that black applicants had to score 400 more SAT points (on a 1600 scale) and 2 letter grade higher GPAs to get into college, would you be OK with that?

    And would you accept the college avoiding discrimination charges by using the same justifications you are -- that the discrepancy is OK because too many black people play the piano?
     
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  18. Arkain2K

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  19. Arkain2K

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    DOE Chief: Increasing diversity at specialized schools is a ‘moral obligation’
    By Selim Algar | June 5, 2018

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    https://nypost.com/2018/06/05/incre...ized-schools-is-a-moral-obligation-doe-chief/
     
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    Asian Groups See Bias in Plan to Diversify New York’s Elite Schools
    By Elizabeth A. Harris and Winnie Hu | June 5, 2018

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    Asian activists rallied in front of City Hall on Tuesday to protest Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan to revamp admissions to the city’s specialized high schools, which they say unfairly targets them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/nyregion/carranza-specialized-schools-admission-asians.html
     

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