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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Franc Mittelo, Nov 10, 2017.
So it's affirmative action but for white people who benefit from it. No?
In the business world id venture a guess that benefits white folks the most. Who your father knows.
Jesus, to fuck up with a false equivocation this badly should prompt you to take this belief to a mirror, and look hard. Liberals are just crippled by an inability to think when it comes to race.
There is no government or institution imposing this, so literally, straightforwardly, irrefutably, no. No, it isn't "affirmative action". It's human nature.
Families and cultures "meritocratically" create this wealth for themselves. Your family and your subculture isn't their burden.
If your premise is that you're looking for only the best people for the job then you'd be wrong because the end result is the same thing is it not?
You can dress it up any way you'd like but it's the exact same thing. And I'd imagine institutions like financial firms hire lots of employees through this type of behavior. So instead of focusing on words like imposing just use real talk like partaking in this type of behavior
Affirmative Action made sense in the 60's, 70's and possibly 80's, because most schools and businesses were still operating on a pre-1964 civil rights mindset. They had to be pushed and coerced into hiring people of color.
But there came a point where, "okay, everyone knows it is illegal to discriminate based on skin color," and yet affirmative action persisted. It's a broken system now, because people are forced to hire based on demographics rather than skill and aptitude.
Things like skin color, gender and sexual orientation shouldn't even factor into the hiring/accepting process. It really should be totally based on merit. You can't call someone racist for choosing the best person for the job. If anything, it's racist to choose someone SPECIFICALLY because they are black.
Mindy Kaling's brother did a pretty cool social experiment on this, when he lied about being black to get into medical school. The market is saturated with Indian doctors, so he found it was easier to get in if he said he was black - even if he had mediocre grades and a sub par understanding of medical basics.
That alone should show you that hiring based on skin color is not the most efficient way to handle it.
You're not even describing affirmative action. If you have no idea what it is, you shouldn't be commenting.
AA as people envision it doesnt happens as much as people think it happens.
Maybe not. I still think the concept in and of itself is flawed/outdated.
Affirmative Action is a failure in theory and a failure in practice.
It’s an example of society wanting equality of outcomes when there is not equality of effort / choices.
Or worse still, better choices / efforts have a negative correlation on outcomes in terms of education enrolment / admissions and some industries.
As mentioned earlier, Asians are the biggest victims here.
Society is not meant to have equal outcomes. You get out what you put it.
To be clear, you are stating that you are racist and sexist, and you believe everyone else is as well ... is that correct?
Also, the USA is about the least racist place I've ever been to.
They shouldn't but they do. And that's why it's an issue.
Yes, we need to give people privileges based on race. Employers just love having the added risk of hiring privileged people who because of their privilege are 1) hard to fire 2) because of their privilege it must be wondered if they achieved anything based on individual merit or solely due to their race.
Yes, it is fantastic to feel so superior to other races than you have to give them a handicap out of the generosity of your heart.
So yes, if you are a racist POS you love you some AA
Most of us understand that it's an issue, that is, that individual people discriminate, of all races mind you. But to suggest that the solution is more discrimination, as the TS has done, is not any kind of answer.
The problem here, I think, is that too many people take this to mean that because you are against AA, it must mean you don't care or worse, and the conversation proceeds with this false premise in place.
This is why we need affirmative action:
can get a job
This is only a parody
A solid ideal, but a lot of persons of color can be picked out by their speech alone
God I hope that never becomes a law, my former employers actually gave me glowing references for the job I have now and letters of recommendation to boot (although in one case it was a letter I typed up for myself on co. letterhead and used the owner's signature stamp...but still...)
But the best person will be hired (ideally) so that's ok