Trump links violent video games to school shootings

Seano said:
Now thats a false equivalency.

A more and more violent culture happens to coincide with mass shootings. The culture is the problem, not the tool.
Click to expand...
I don't disagree, but I have made no false equivalency, and you have.

I accept that guns don't kill people. People kill people.
But I also accept that people use guns, not video games, to actually kill people.
 
Madmick said:
I don't disagree, but I have made no false equivalency, and you have.

I accept that guns don't kill people. People kill people.
But I also accept that people use guns, not video games, to actually kill people.
Click to expand...
Remember the great WoW massacre by Leroy Jenkins?

Oh, so many actual, literal, human lives were lost that day. By the thousands!
 
Madmick said:
I don't disagree, but I have made no false equivalency, and you have.

I accept that guns don't kill people. People kill people.
But I also accept that people use guns, not video games, to actually kill people.
Click to expand...
You equated video games to blasting holes, I didn't. You put words in my mouth. My emphasis in gun control debates is always more on morals and mental health. Desensitization is in part to blame for our growing disregard for human life among young people.
 
The Diplomat said:
That's really all I needed to hear from you right now. Thank you.
Click to expand...

This excuse is bi-partisan dumb fuckery. Hillary Clinton had GTA:SA ripped off the shelves for a sex mini-game. They're all so very out of touch on this. Movies too. Although I'd argue with both mediums, that they need to have their ratings enforced, and in the movie industry in particular, have the R-rating adjusted so that you can't bring your kids to go see those movies. However, with the internet, and streaming, and all that shit, I don't know how effective it would be at this point. I just think it's kind of fucked up that MPAA edits movies down just enough from an NC17 to an R rating, so that you can bring your kids to see it. It's pretty bizarre.
 
BearGrounds said:
The two words are interchangeable, if you're trying to imply I phrased that incorrectly.

If you're just trying to act like you're not carrying yourself exactly how I described, then the lols are on you.

Either way.

Click to expand...


Cool whine, bro! So much pertinent!!
DKOCuugVwAAd1e9.jpg
 
HereticBD said:
This excuse is bi-partisan dumb fuckery. Hillary Clinton had GTA:SA ripped off the shelves for a sex mini-game. They're all so very out of touch on this. Movies too. Although I'd argue with both mediums, that they need to have their ratings enforced, and in the movie industry in particular, have the R-rating adjusted so that you can't bring your kids to go see those movies. However, with the internet, and streaming, and all that shit, I don't know how effective it would be at this point. I just think it's kind of fucked up that MPAA edits movies down just enough from an NC17 to an R rating, so that you can bring your kids to see it. It's pretty bizarre.
Click to expand...
Yeah, one of the problems with the old dynamic of "parents watch what their kids watch/play" is that everyone 5 year old has a better cellphone than I do. At this point, if a kid is savvy enough, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Me personally, I grew up in the 90s with an old black and white Macintosh, then a 200mhz Toshiba, etc. So even though I technically did what these kids are doing, I feel like there was more of a struggle to get to where I wanted, and I knew of a world without instant gratification. I'm still flabbergasted how quickly the information age came.
 
Trump might want to go holler at Lieberman.

That dog dont hunt.
 
Last edited:
The Diplomat said:
Yeah, one of the problems with the old dynamic of "parents watch what their kids watch/play" is that everyone 5 year old has a better cellphone than I do. At this point, if a kid is savvy enough, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Me personally, I grew up in the 90s with an old black and white Macintosh, then a 200mhz Toshiba, etc. So even though I technically did what these kids are doing, I feel like there was more of a struggle to get to where I wanted, and I knew of a world without instant gratification. I'm still flabbergasted how quickly the information age came.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the same generation. The progression seemed a lot more natural, than what's going on today. It seemed like these steps were being taken gradually, and then all of sudden, BAM. I don't know when it happened, but it seemed to coincide with the original iPod. When that thing hit, and then started to get integrated into phones, and all the merging of tech happened, it just never let up.

In terms of a societal effect, I don't know how kids don't become numb to the more adult content they're viewing, and what that effect is. I can remember as a kid, catching a glimpse of a tit on TV, or some uncut R-rated movie, and thinking it was some forbidden special thing, and it stuck with me. Now, I don't know how kids get that feeling from anything. It's all out there. Porno for instance, was like the holy grail of adult shit as a kid. Now, I don't know how anyone from the 4th grade and up haven't viewed the hardest of hardcore shit, whether they figured it out themselves, or some older kid showed them just for kicks. Anything you want is in the palm of your hand, at anytime, and there's really no way to regulate it, without getting crazy.
 
Ppl will disagree just cause trump said it, but you gotta be really dumb to think violent games/movies don’t have an effect on young persons mind
 
Seano said:
You equated video games to blasting holes, I didn't. You put words in my mouth. My emphasis in gun control debates is always more on morals and mental health. Desensitization is in part to blame for our growing disregard for human life among young people.
Click to expand...
No, you equated video games to guns by implication, i.e. "when it is your thing being taken away"; the context being that you posted it in a thread about potential controls being levied to stymie future mass shootings. What else might be "taken away"? Morals and mental health?

You apparently don't want to own that this is what was implied, so I don't need to waste more time on this, but you constructed a false equivalency.
 
BTW This is kind of my subject. I can debate everyone for days, regarding violent video games and the impact on human nature. Please come at me.
 
Seano said:
You equated video games to blasting holes, I didn't. You put words in my mouth. My emphasis in gun control debates is always more on morals and mental health. Desensitization is in part to blame for our growing disregard for human life among young people.
Click to expand...
You haven't responded to me.

Our populace is getting desensitized to things, especially with technology and what not. Still not at the point of cutting your neighbors heads off for ignoring you. (I could say historical times, or Pakistan.)

But do you honestly believe that a normal kid playing violent video games is going to shoot up a school?

Do you *really* think, that a virtual, 3D environment is going to cause a normal, happy kid to go crazy?

Or was that person always going to be crazy. They were already a piece of shit, you just need a scapegoat and simple answer for the psychology behind a mad man. When you have an abundance of them, it gets harder to track, and thus one thinks they need to generalize and simplify the problem, with VIDEO GAMES.

And you're a conservative.
 
Video games played every day, all day long, like i've seen people doing has to have an effect of people. I realize that there are all types of games but the ones i've witnessed were all shoot and kill ones. Many are very realistic.
The people i saw playing these games were doing it every day for months on end. They were totally immersed in them and didn't give a shit about stopping to eat or anything else, they were addicted.

I believe playing to excess desensitizes some people to violence and death, especially if the people aren't even grown up yet. The brain doesn't stop developing until age 25.
It isn't normal to play these killing type games all day long.
We really are creating a very different type of human being in our society.
 
squeezewax said:
Video games played every day, all day long, like i've seen people doing has to have an effect of people. I realize that there are all types of games but the ones i've witnessed were all shoot and kill ones. Many are very realistic.
The people i saw playing these games were doing it every day for months on end. They were totally immersed in them and didn't give a shit about stopping to eat or anything else, they were addicted.

I believe playing to excess desensitizes some people to violence and death, especially if the people aren't even grown up yet. The brain doesn't stop developing until age 25.
It isn't normal to play these killing type games all day long.
We really are creating a very different type of human being in our society.
Click to expand...

1. For those who play video games all day long, 24/7, there will be psychological effects, like with anything if done without moderation. Typically there is a cause for this, and the video games are the reaction.

2. The 24/7 gamers, aren't of the mass shooter type. Obviously it's not mutually exclusive, but these are usually from the dedicated, aspergery/onset diabetus camp, rather than those who dedicate themselves to sure death or prison. To put so much time into a video game, usually one plans on playing it again.

3. Not a single mass shooter in the last 50 years can be connected or blamed on violent video games.

Trump is moronic for suggesting it, and most of you are ignorant for not knowing better.
 
Last edited:
The Diplomat said:
You haven't responded to me.

Our populace is getting desensitized to things, especially with technology and what not. Still not at the point of cutting your neighbors heads off for ignoring you. (I could say historical times, or Pakistan.)

But do you honestly believe that a normal kid playing violent video games is going to shoot up a school?

Do you *really* think, that a virtual, 3D environment is going to cause a normal, happy kid to go crazy?

Or was that person always going to be crazy. They were already a piece of shit, you just need a scapegoat and simple answer for the psychology behind a mad man. When you have an abundance of them, it gets harder to track, and thus one thinks they need to generalize and simplify the problem, with VIDEO GAMES.

And you're a conservative.
Click to expand...

But every school shooter played video games so it must be video games.
 
HereticBD said:
This excuse is bi-partisan dumb fuckery. Hillary Clinton had GTA:SA ripped off the shelves for a sex mini-game. They're all so very out of touch on this. Movies too. Although I'd argue with both mediums, that they need to have their ratings enforced, and in the movie industry in particular, have the R-rating adjusted so that you can't bring your kids to go see those movies. However, with the internet, and streaming, and all that shit, I don't know how effective it would be at this point. I just think it's kind of fucked up that MPAA edits movies down just enough from an NC17 to an R rating, so that you can bring your kids to see it. It's pretty bizarre.
Click to expand...

Come on man, Hostile or any other horror movie is rated R, but Zach and Mirri make a porno is NC-17?

More problems with the ratings system then editing.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,236,583
Messages
55,428,583
Members
174,775
Latest member
shawn_bogart

Share this page

Back
Top