US Bishops Call Healthcare a “Fundamental Right”

There are also hybrid systems where there is a universal health care coverage, but also private clinics. So for people that have enough money they can still have the option to pay out of pocket in order to get services without waiting in what can be long line ups through the universal queue.

Paying extra to get your health back right away (say you need a non emergency surgery like knee surgery or something) often times is worth the cost, as compared to waiting around injured for months on end.

So it wouldn't be jumping the queue. It would be avoiding it altogether.

And this is exactly where I would start if I had to create a healthcare plan that covers everyone. I can afford a Cadillac plan so therefore if i want knee surgery I can choose to pay a large amount and get it right away at a facility of my choosing. A person who cannot afford a great plan would still have the procedure covered buy may need to wait a little longer and may not have the greatest facility but still adequate.

It's just interesting to me why conservatives scoff at the very idea of universal healthcare.
 
Sounds like you are being a bit dramatic to make your point. I'm not sure that a system of universal healthcare would have to be a first come first serve approach like you suggest. Instead of fighting endless wars in the middle east we can re purpose those funds to figure out a universal health care program here at home.

You know we have a lot of brilliant people here in America that I'm sure with the time and resources could come up with a pretty good healthcare system that benefits all people. For some reason just saying universal healthcare makes conservatives shutter at the though. Maybe it has something to do with putting all people on equal footing? I know that is NOT a cornerstone of conservative ideals

of course it would be -- universal coverage doesnt factor in tax contributions in priority triage. You would pay more and could and often will get put behind someone who pays next to nothing. Now if you floated a system that gives UHC but prioritizes higher contributors, im sure you could influences more people...at least on the state level.

out of curiosity, what state do you live in?
 
of course it would be -- universal coverage doesnt factor in tax contributions in priority triage. You would pay more and could and often will get put behind someone who pays next to nothing. Now if you floated a system that gives UHC but prioritizes higher contributors, im sure you could influences more people...at least on the state level.

out of curiosity, what state do you live in?

I live in Illinois and would have no issue with the bold part of your statement. Something like a medicare for all program for lower income people. I can still keep my plan but have a safety net for those who cannot afford insurance.
 
There are also hybrid systems where there is a universal health care coverage, but also private clinics. So for people that have enough money they can still have the option to pay out of pocket in order to get services without waiting in what can be long line ups through the universal queue.

Paying extra to get your health back right away (say you need a non emergency surgery like knee surgery or something) often times is worth the cost, as compared to waiting around injured for months on end.

So it wouldn't be jumping the queue. It would be avoiding it altogether.

And this is exactly where I would start if I had to create a healthcare plan that covers everyone. I can afford a Cadillac plan so therefore if i want knee surgery I can choose to pay a large amount and get it right away at a facility of my choosing. A person who cannot afford a great plan would still have the procedure covered buy may need to wait a little longer and may not have the greatest facility but still adequate.

It's just interesting to me why conservatives scoff at the very idea of universal healthcare.

Cool...but, our hyrbid systems doesnt let people opt out of paying full taxation transfers to Health Care. It still demands you pay full costs for the universal health care, but then gives you to pay additional costs out of pocket for private. so, high income earners still pay 50k a year into the system and may never use it.
 
IF healthcare is a fundamental right, why is housing not a fundamental right?

Why is having a job that supports you not a fundamental right?

Hell, FOOD needs to be a fundamental right for every single american if healthcare is. I mean isn't FOOD more important?

You can live if you don't have healthcare, you CANNOT live if you don't have food.

So every liberal in this thread NEEDS to agree with me. FOOD should be a fundamental right for every american.

And if you disagree then you want to see poor people die out on the streets.
 
IF healthcare is a fundamental right, why is housing not a fundamental right?

Why is having a job that supports you not a fundamental right?

Hell, FOOD needs to be a fundamental right for every single american if healthcare is. I mean isn't FOOD more important?

You can live if you don't have healthcare, you CANNOT live if you don't have food.

So every liberal in this thread NEEDS to agree with me. FOOD should be a fundamental right for every american.

And if you disagree then you want to see poor people die out on the streets.

Can you imagine a society where housing was government managed, and food was rationed out as well? Would take dependency and corruption issues to a whole new level
 
Cool...but, our hyrbid systems doesnt let people opt out of paying full taxation transfers to Health Care. It still demands you pay full costs for the universal health care, but then gives you to pay additional costs out of pocket for private. so, high income earners still pay 50k a year into the system and may never use it.

Possibly but I would be happy to pay a bit more in taxes so someone else can have health insurance. I think that is the argument here
 
Can you imagine a society where housing was government managed, and food was rationed out as well? Might as well just end it at that point.

North Korea, but this comparison is not apples to apples. I also believe basic food and housing should be fundamental rights
 
Possibly but I would be happy to pay a bit more in taxes so someone else can have health insurance. I think that is the argument here

whats a bit more? how much do you currently pay a year? would you be willing to up that by 4-5k?
 
whats a bit more? how much do you currently pay a year? would you be willing to up that by 4-5k?

Maybe not 4-5K but certainly 400-500. I think curbing waste, massive profits and some other things we could get the cost way down.

Now that I think about it i would certainly consider 4-5 K a year if it means universal healthcare
 
Whats funny is the US pays twice as much in terms of GDP as all the Commie single-payer nations and Murkans are still like "single-payer!!! no way!!!! were keeping this zhitty system!!!"
 
Maybe not 4-5K but certainly 400-500. I think curbing waste, massive profits and some other things we could get the cost way down.

Now that I think about it i would certainly consider 4-5 K a year if it means universal healthcare

ok, thats fair -- its your money afterall. But, on the flip, you could keep that additional money, bank it for rainy days or use it to pay for your kids college, your retirement, or invest it to secure your future. Some people just want that option.
 
Whats funny is the US pays twice as much in terms of GDP as all the Commie single-payer nations and Murkans are still like "single-payer!!! no way!!!! were keeping this zhitty system!!!"

The system is great for the people it works for. If you are poor or lower middle class you get screwed.
 
ok, thats fair -- its your money afterall. But, on the flip, you could keep that additional money, bank it for rainy days or use it to pay for your kids college, your retirement, or invest it to secure your future. Some people just want that option.

I understand that but I think there is a debate to be had and a lot of things we could agree on to make the system cheaper and work for more people.
 
I understand that but I think there is a debate to be had and a lot of things we could agree on to make the system cheaper and work for more people.

sure. But i fall on the side that priority should be whats best for you and your love ones. Yes, UHC can be a part of that for some.
 
Can you imagine a society where housing was government managed, and food was rationed out as well? Would take dependency and corruption issues to a whole new level

Exactly, but this must be what all liberals want. After all, what right could be more fundamental and important than FOOD?
 
sure. But i fall on the side that priority should be whats best for you and your love ones. Yes, UHC can be a part of that for some.

I don't disagree but I'm not sure why a person born with wealth should have a higher priority than a person who busts their ass every day but works a job making 40K a year because they do what they love to do (teacher). The system should work for both people.
 
Exactly, but this must be what all liberals want. After all, what right could be more fundamental and important than FOOD?

I don't think many people want that, but I do recall someone on this very board arguing in favor of socialized food for developed Western nations. I was amused.

Very rarely do you ever see people, even if they are socialist in mind, wanting that though.

The abolishion of private property you will find more since that is a communist thing, but still full on communists aren't that common.
 
You don't compromise or exchange human rights. Having autonomy over one's reproductive system is a human right, as is being able to have a miserable marriage with the person of your choosing.

They can keep being tax exempt, and we'll waive the sales tax on crackers and grape juice. That is our final offer.

you , already get the the better end of the catholic vote split -- so not sure you need to sweeten the deal on communion. Its the other sects you need to sway. I guess if you dont want put a hierarchy on "human rights"than you dont have much to barter with.
 
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