USA Saves baby sentenced to death by UK health care. LIVE WITH DIGNITY!

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Cliffs: Doctors in UK say baby will die and they can't save him. Say to let him die with dignity. Originally the NHS does not want him to go to superior doctors in america. But under pressure from 2 recent toddler death sentences the parents are allowed to go to USA for sureery. They raise money from the kindness of strangers, get operation, baby is cured.
MOST IMPORTANT: A young life is saved by american medicine so this person can live their life.

Super cliffs: American, fuck yeah, baby!!!

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SAVED FROM SOCIALISM: U.S. Saves Baby Oliver After U.K. Doctors Said His Heart Couldn’t Be Fixed
After baby Oliver Cameron was denied necessary medical treatment and funding by the United Kingdom's National Health Service (NHS), doctors in the United States were able to save his life.

Baby Oliver was born with a rare heart condition known as cardiac fibroma. The socialized healthcare system in the U.K. was not equipped to perform the necessary surgery to remove the non-cancerous tumor in his heart. Oliver would have to be put on a list to receive a heart transplant, and even then, he would only be expected to live to the age of 15, at the longest.
But due to the innovation and ingenuity of the United States, the necessary surgery was not only available, but had a 100% success rate at the Boston Children's Hospital.
The NHS, however, initially refused to pay for the roughly $260,000 parents Lydia and Tim Cameron needed to fund the trip and procedure required to save their baby.

"No parent should have to bury their child," Lydia said at the time, according to The Mirror. "For the NHS to say, 'we’re sorry, we can’t help.' is devastating."

"We asked if the NHS could fly the surgeon over here, but he’s not licensed to operate in the UK," she explained. "We asked if an English surgeon could learn the procedure, but they said no. So we must raise the money ourselves."

"Our NHS consultant has said if Boston agreed to treat Oliver then we had to get him there."

The couple did not have the funds to save Oliver, so they resorted to crowdfunding, opening a GoFundMe page and asking the public to donate.

After funding nearly $170,000 on their own and garnering international attention, the NHS's hand was forced. The government finally announced that they would allow and fund the necessary surgery at Boston Children's Hospital.

Professor Dominic Wilkinson at the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics said that the pressure was on the NHS to comply due to the recent case of U.K.-based baby Charlie Guard, who was denied medical treatment by the NHS despite other nations offering treatment. "I think the intense attention from the Charlie Gard case is likely to make those decision makers more conscious that they are under greater scrutiny and therefore that they have to be particularly careful in making a fair decision," he told The Telegraph.

Thankfully, Boston Children's Hospital was able to perform a successful surgery on 10-month-old baby Oliver in November of 2017. "When they told us Dr. del Nido had removed all of it, we were so happy we just burst into tears," said mother Lydia, according to the hospital's site.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/3321...ves-baby-oliver-after-uk-amanda-prestigiacomo
 
Not even gonna focus on the socialism side of this. It's just good to know a baby has a real chance at life now due to peoples overwhelming generosity
 
Not even gonna focus on the socialism side of this. It's just good to know a baby has a real chance at life now due to peoples overwhelming generosity

Other than it is the socialism side that almost killed him.
 
Yeah, but some 300 year old lady at a town hall said she wants free diabeetus medication, and Bernie told me people who aren't billionaires are all dying in the streets.

Seriously though, very nice story and glad the kid got the surgery. There's a pretty steady flow of heartwarming stories about people being charitable and helping others.
 
Glad the US Doctors were able to help.
The US is still good at producing top-notch heart surgeon.
The only thing they can produce better than heart surgeon are opioid-related deaths.
 
Since Murica saved the baby from the evil socialist NHs, who's gonna save Muricans from medical bankruptcies and sky high prices? Surely there is no dignity in being broke due to illness.

Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of such filings, and outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages, according to new data. And even having health insurance doesn't buffer consumers against financial hardship.
https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

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Since Murica saved the baby from the evil socialist NHs, who's gonna save Muricans from medical bankruptcies and sky high prices? Surely there is no dignity in being broke due to illness.


https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

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Not sure how many people you know who would rather die or have their kids die instead of paying to be saved. America is still #1 in cancer survival, even the bloody German above you admits US is top-notch in heart procedures, and most medicines are invented here. You can lower costs and quality pays the forfeit. This thread is getting curiously few responses.

There is certainly some shit to fix here when people keep getting referred to other doctors and nobody can even ballpark the cost of a visit for someone without medical insurance, but the solution isn't to make being a doctor less appealing by turning them all into government employees.
 
Glad the US Doctors were able to help.
The US is still good at producing top-notch heart surgeon.
The only thing they can produce better than heart surgeon are opioid-related deaths.
Not sure the point of your post here. It starts off good, then gets really really salty at the end.
 
Not even gonna focus on the socialism side of this. It's just good to know a baby has a real chance at life now due to peoples overwhelming generosity

This, but also fuck TS for trying to pretend that people in the US aren't dying from being denied coverage.

The story here is that wealth decides life and death.
 
The government finally announced that they would allow and fund the necessary surgery at Boston Children's Hospital.
yay socialism.... you seem to have left this bit of the article out
 
How is this an indictment on Socialised healthcare, again?

The NHS doesn't have the budget to account for paying for hundreds of thousands of pounds for treatment for a rare heart condition (astronomically rare in this case). The parents raised the funds through a go fund me and the little boy was saved.

Seems like the parents didnt raise enough through go fund me and the government added the rest, or paid completely, can't tell from the wording in the article.
 
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Well, this certainly makes up for the thousands of babies that die every year in the US because of substandard healthcare, but that would have lived if they were born in the UK.

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Is there anything deadlier than conservatives' obsession with anecdote and complete disregard for data?
 
Well, this certainly makes up for the thousands of babies that die every year in the US because of substandard healthcare, but that would have lived if they were born in the UK.

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Is there anything deadlier than conservatives' obsession with anecdote and complete disregard for data?

Shhhh! They brought the Shapiro cancer survival datapoint, so US healthcare is the most MAGAist!!!
 
Well, this certainly makes up for the thousands of babies that die every year in the US because of substandard healthcare, but that would have lived if they were born in the UK.

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Is there anything deadlier than conservatives' obsession with anecdote and complete disregard for data?
Are you saying we should get rid of our black people
 
Well, this certainly makes up for the thousands of babies that die every year in the US because of substandard healthcare, but that would have lived if they were born in the UK.

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Is there anything deadlier than conservatives' obsession with anecdote and complete disregard for data?
The abortion rate is twice that, so stop acting like you give a fuck. The difference between the UK and US is 1.9/1,000, and those stats aren't even compiled in the same way for both countries, which more than makes up the difference.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2011/09/infant-mortality-deceptive-statistic-scott-w-atlas/

In summary, the analysis and subsequent comparison of neonatal- and infant-mortality rates have been filled with inconsistencies and pitfalls, problematic definitions, and inaccuracies. Even the use of the most fundamental term, “live births,” greatly distorts infant-mortality rates, because often the infants who die the soonest after birth are not counted as live births outside the United States. In the end, these comparisons reflect deviations in fundamental terminology, reporting accuracy, data sources, populations, and cultural-medical practices — all of which specifically disadvantage the U.S. in international rankings. And unbeknownst to organizations bent on painting a picture of inferior health care in the U.S., the peer-reviewed literature and even the WHO’s own statements agree
 
The abortion rate is twice that, so stop acting like you give a fuck.

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As an indicator for medical care efficacy, my metric is on-point. Yours is not. The major Western countries with socialized healthcare uniformly outperform the United States in both efficacy and cost efficiency. I'm not feigning a bleeding heart over aborted fetuses. Hell, I'm not even positing that I care more about actual babies that are born to wanting parents (I do, though). I am making an objective statement about the fact that newborns are safer in the UK than in the US.

You're just mudslinging and deflecting because.....idk, habit?

The difference between the UK and US is 1.9/1,000, and those stats aren't even compiled in the same way for both countries, which more than makes up the difference.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2011/09/infant-mortality-deceptive-statistic-scott-w-atlas/

That has been posted here before. In class Nat Review fashion, they fail to actually proffer a proper analysis or explain why one would create a contrary finding but cannot be produced.
 
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