Venezuela, The Starving Socialist Dystopia (Part 1)

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  1. Rod1

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    I find it annoying that they bring up the Scandinavian countries, when the Norway Krone is one of the most traded currencies (compared to their population size) and Sweden has an economy based on exports.
     
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    Yeah, I can't really go to much into the currency stuff because I don't know so much about that.
    But if you look at social democracy and a rather strict government just look at Switzerland I never heard of any issues they currency and they have more local regulation and laws than Germany.
     
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    Like leftists throw around 'But... but... but... Scandinavian countries!!!' ????

    Like taxing the rich businesses of Venezuela into leaving the entire country?

    How about government officials fleecing the tax money? (Hugo Chavez was worth $1.2 Billion upon his death.)

    How about this being another example of a politician promising a utopianism being elected into a high office, and the entire country collapses around its citizens?

    Go on...

    You got to come up with more than that to make a convincing argument as to why the richest country in South America has devolved into a dictatorship with high crime rates, and death tolls in the thousands, within a decade.

    You sure you want to just say 'Price controls,' 'Foreign exchange controls,' and you might as well add 'bad management' to the list as well.

    Dammit those rich people that left! If only they didn't leave so we could tax then more to add to our own bank accounts this never would have happened!

    Here's your reality check, Rod1.

    Venezuela was a tropical paradise with high immigration rates, a booming economy, and it was a vacation destination throughout the world.

    And it all collapsed because a 'Democratic Socialist' echoing the 'talking points' so many totalitarians have vomitted out of their mouths for decades to decieve the entire populations into electing them into high office. And these same 'talking points' are also echoed by politicians here, with the desire to impliment the same policies here that destroyed Venezuela and so many other countries.

    To which we reply to those politicans here, and their supporters like you Rod1,

    "Go Fuck Yourself."
     
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    So in your opinion were is the population overall better off in the Europen democratic socialist states or in the US?
    I mean I get why you like the US system. It would be better for me personally also because I am from the upper middle class.
    But in general, all numbers are much better in Europe compared to the US. And the US has a significant advantage over Europe because the US$ is the world currency.
     
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    So, you think the fall of Venezuela is due to outside sources? The EU or the US?

    My view on that subject, is it is a deflection, and whatever choice (EU or US) it would have made since the beginning of Chavez's administration, it would have been a minor factor in its current condition today.
     
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    Mhh I have to be honest I just read the last paragraph of your post.
    So I might have missed your overall point sorry.

    But hey keeping War Room traditions alive not replying to the actual meaning of the post but what you think it meant :).
     
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    That's just to point out the massive flaws on your logic, because its you guys who are trying to draw a parallel between Venezuelan politicians and other socialist politicians elsewhere.

    There are plenty of countries that tax the rich a lot.

    Venezuelan government itself wasnt that big and taxes were low compared to first world countries.


    Bad management is ambiguous, price controls isnt. Just because you are ignorant of these terms they dont become ambiguous.

    Price controls cause shortages, thats one of the few economic universal truths out there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_controls#Criticism

    And currency controls is a little more complicated, we could have a good talk about it if you are willing to listen.

    Its not taxes what caused capital to flee Venezuela it was the strict currency controls which made normal business impossible there.

    Not to mention price controls made tons of industries unprofitable

    It collapsed for many reasons, the main ones i already mentioned.

    Also you are accusing me of being a Maduro supporter, so you obviously havent read the thread either and have absolutely nothing of value to contribute.
     
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    Nope, its not due to outside sources.

    Its because of terrible economic policies carried out by the Venezuelan government.
     
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    Once a Cash Cow, Venezuela’s Oil Company Now Verges on Collapse
    By KIRK SEMPLE and CLIFFORD KRAUSS | DEC. 27, 2017

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/world/americas/venezuela-oil-pdvsa.html
     
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    Maduro says Venezuela will issue $5.9 billion in oil-backed cryptocurrency
    Fabian Cambero, Girish Gupta | Jan 5, 2018


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-oil-backed-cryptocurrency-idUSKBN1EV02S?il=0
     
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    As opposed to Norway or Sweden? The problem is that the country was propped up with oil money and it isn't 2014 anymore.
     
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