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I am very interested in this show. It was seriously mishandled by the ATF, but Koresh was a con man and a monster.
It is simply mind boggling how the government fkd up so bad on two separate incidents one right after the other.It's amazing to me how the two fuck ups went hand in hand so close together.
ATF totally screws the pooch initially and then FBI shows up and makes shit worse. HRT kills Weavers wife at Ruby Ridge and then burns down the Branch Davidians complex, killing a huge amount in the process.
How they portrayed the government is what I was really curious about. After the first episode I had an idea but wasn't sure.... im glad they kept up with it the way they did.Just got caught up with eps 2 and 3. I thought both were better than the first ep. This is shaping up to be a better show I thought it might be.
They are being very fair to Koresh and, just as importantly, are calling the government out on their bullshit. I'm actually surprised by how hard they are going after the government but I'm glad that they are.
This is a good show, fairly balanced, and Kitsch is killing it as Koresh.
Just got caught up with eps 2 and 3. I thought both were better than the first ep. This is shaping up to be a better show I thought it might be.
They are being very fair to Koresh and, just as importantly, are calling the government out on their bullshit. I'm actually surprised by how hard they are going after the government but I'm glad that they are.
This is a good show, fairly balanced, and Kitsch is killing it as Koresh.
How they portrayed the government is what I was really curious about. After the first episode I had an idea but wasn't sure.... im glad they kept up with it the way they did.
"Fair" =/= "complex"Would've been a lot easier to just demonize him and turn him into a caricature than to actually present him as a complex human being.
"Fair" =/= "complex"
Yeahhhh, the whole "show both sides" thing can be seen as a form of validation. There's no need for it. Koresh was absolute garbage.Well again, an UNFAIR portrait would just be to make him out to be some raving sociopathic lunatic. The typical "crazy cult leader." Instead, I think the producers are going for a two-sides-to-every-story approach, which I would characterize as fair.
Yeahhhh, the whole "show both sides" thing can be seen as a form of validation. There's no need for it. Koresh was absolute garbage.
I think Koresh was a crazy, power hungry sack in love with himself and also a child rapist, yo. It's very possible to demonstrate the complexity of a situation or life without indicating or suggesting you should feel sympathy for someone that did terrible things; I think this show failed in that regard. Nobody should ever have sympathy for that guy.I think a bit question is how much Koresh actually believed in himself and his own teachings. A person who really believes in the Kool-Aid they're giving out is more sympathetic to me than someone who is an intentional fraud.
The show is not really shying away from some of the more sordid aspects of the story, like his rule where only he gets to fuck all the women and how he married a 14-year-old girl. I just think it's telling that story in a way that buys into the sincerity of the people at Mt Carmel.
One thing that is interesting is that even today some of the people who were involved with that whole thing still believe in what they were doing there.
Yeahhhh, the whole "show both sides" thing can be seen as a form of validation. There's no need for it. Koresh was absolute garbage.
how do you know?
I think Koresh was a crazy, power hungry sack in love with himself and also a child rapist, yo. It's very possible to demonstrate the complexity of a situation or life without indicating or suggesting you should feel sympathy for someone that did terrible things; I think this show failed in that regard. Nobody should ever have sympathy for that guy.
It’s a normal interpretation. I lived in Waco, and despite the overwhelming Christian population that would be critical and concerned with the Koresh, everyone know the government bottled it.The interesting thing is that the show is based on a book by the negotiator--himself a government agent--but I guess the producers really latched onto the concerns he had about the way the situation was handled, because they've made the ATF out to be a huge bunch of assholes.
Word that comes to mind is "nightmarish"Let me ask you this, how do you feel about the way the government handled the whole situation?
It’s a normal interpretation. I lived in Waco, and despite the overwhelming Christian population that would be critical and concerned with the Koresh, everyone know the government bottled it.
My understanding is that it was a critical time for the ATF and FBI (or whatever), and that this was a way to sort of come down hard and make an example of someone to win back public trust.
Also, none of this happened in Waco.