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[Lead]

I'm in the middle. I believe its mostly used as a bullshit excuse, but I also don't think its all that unbelievable either, when you look at the supplement cocktails these guys are taking, and constantly experimenting with.

That's the problem with it. A fighter may be in the right with what happened but then others looking to game there system see it as a way to abuse it. They test other supplements to verify if it was the manufacturer that messed up but that means they always could seek out ones who mess up so they can say they didn't know.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Jones particularly is very intelligent and is very willing to do anything to get an edge (and not shy about taking edges that are, let's say "frowned upon" by officials). And he has motive to mislead.

Well Jon isn't exactly known for caution and restraint given his past but I was talking about that excuse as its used generally. Jones getting popped again tells me there's a non-negligible chance that the first time around wasn't unintentional.

 

[sweede]

To be fair I did say earlier that there's only a 20% chance so she's probably not a ladyboy and that there's nothing wrong with that is she is.

While I do possess some delicate information about the Katoys, and the knowledge of a popluation that has a more forgiving attitude than most countries in the world, the 20% is news to me.

So you are saying that out of Thailands estimated female population of 35 million, 7 million of them are ladyboys?

Do you believe in what you are writing?

 

[Higus]

Saw this beauty of a cringe thread on Reddit over the weekend. Jordan Peterson Acolyte NPC takes his gf to see him speak, get's dumped and wonders why.

It did not go as well as I hoped. Let me give you a bit of a back story. I am using a throwaway because my girlfriend knows my main Reddit.

I found out about Jordan Peterson about a year ago and since then I became a huge fan. I was never a big reader, but I got all of his books. (They are the only books on my bookshelf and also a book about John F. Kennedy my aunt gave me but I never read. So I don't have many books and its a small shelf.)

I am 19 years old now. I met my girlfriend when we were 17 in high school. When I was 18 I moved out and began to go to the local university. My girlfriend is the same age as I am and she started classes there too. When I moved out is around the time I started reading Dr. Peterson's work and I took the battle against chaos to heart. Mostly because I was a very messy person before. So I kept my new room very clean (I have a roommate who helps) and I was finally able to decorate it the way that I wanted since I moved out. Mostly I kept it simple and tasteful but I also have a big poster of Dr. Peterson in my room.

When I began to see how important Dr. Peterson had become in my life I started trying to get my girlfriend interested. But she did not seem very interested. I thought he could help her a lot, because when we met and she lived at home she was a very messy and chaotic person also. We both were then. Since she moved out also and got a roommate it has gotten even worse for her. I would say her room is about fifty percent messier than it was. She is slouching a lot. She is also very disorganized with her classes and note taking (somehow she is still getting all As, I got all As too my first semester but I also got two Cs). I can't even read or understand the notes she takes for her class. I tried to tell her to be more organized and less chaotic with it, that it would help her more, but I think it got annoying for her to hear it.

Anyway when we would hang out I would try to get her to listen to Dr. Peterson's lectures but it always seemed like a chore or like she didn't really want to. I found it really frustrating because he was so inspiring for me. Eventually I stopped putting them on because I would hear and see her sigh in an exaggerated way when I would put YouTube on with his lectures.

Not long ago it was coming up on the day that we met (our anniversary) and we had a nice dinner at a seafood place we both really like. A few days later I got us tickets to see Dr. Peterson speak. I had hoped that it would be better than the videos. She seemed excited to go and we had a nice night together.

The next day we didn't talk, which is normal these days with school and stuff. I sent her a text message the day after and she didn't respond which I thought was weird. Then I did it the day after and still no response. She didn't write back to me for four days! Until I sent her a long message just asking for an explanation for why she ghosted me or at least let me know she is okay.

A few days later she finally sent me a long email. She said that she wanted some space and that she needed to think. That things were changing and that they weren't the same as they were. She actually blamed Dr. Peterson for changing me! Which is true but I thought I changed for the better. She said I was being really strict with the cleanliness now and that I was saying too much about her being messy. That I wasn't fun any more. And also she said that she wanted to see other people and that she wasn't sure I was the person she wanted to be with forever in a relationship. This was very disappointing to see her go against monogamous relationships.

That isn't all though. I talked to a mutual friend of ours and she told me some things really candidly. Our friend said that after seeing Jordan Peterson in person my girlfriend was really weirded out. Because I cried a little bit there and there were other men crying too. (I didn't think this was fair, there is no shame in crying.) Also that she felt like following Dr. Peterson's advice made me kind of less fun and more boring than how I was when we met at 17. Basically that she thought I became a little too "obsessed" with him. She also said that my girlfriend thought some of the things Dr. Peterson said about relationships were chauvinistic and unrealistic. And then she (not my girlfriend but our friend) said she researched Dr. Peterson and that he hated women and kind of scolded me. I told her that was just SJW/Cultural Marxist propaganda, that Dr. Peterson wasn't really like that and she just didn't understand him. She said I was "talking down" to her and that is why my girlfriend left me. (I don't think she left me she never said she didn't want to see me any more btw.)

Anyway what do I do? How do I fix this and get our friend and my girlfriend to be okay with Dr. Peterson?

 

[Islam Imamate]

While I do possess some delicate information about the Katoys, and the knowledge of a popluation that has a more forgiving attitude than most countries in the world, the 20% is news to me.

So you are saying that out of Thailands estimated female population of 35 million, 7 million of them are ladyboys?

Do you believe in what you are writing?

Its between 20% and tree fiddy%

 

[Prokofievian]

Saw this beauty of a cringe thread on Reddit over the weekend. Jordan Peterson Acolyte NPC takes his gf to see him speak, get's dumped and wonders why.

Lol.

A friend of mine got in pretty deep with JP. I've never liked much of what he has to say beyond the self help stuff, but in our conversations about him (because, if you have a friend that's into JP, you'll have these conversations) we play a game. We make the most absurd name possible with initials JP (for example, Jaffar Pfeffermunt). If the other person googles the absurd name thinking that it's a real person other than Jordan Peterson, you win.

So I just sent him a curveball: Jesper Parnevik.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Lol.

A friend of mine got in pretty deep with JP. I've never liked much of what he has to say beyond the self help stuff, but in our conversations about him (because, if you have a friend that's into JP, you'll have these conversations) we play a game. We make the most absurd name possible with initials JP (for example, Jaffar Pfeffermunt). If the other person googles the absurd name thinking that it's a real person other than Jordan Peterson, you win.

So I just sent him a curveball: Jesper Parnevik.

I just stick with Peter Jordanson

 

[JDragon]

Is this trolling?



That's your opinion. In my opinion, "Marcobot" would not have become a thing if not for Christie. He really framed it for all the audience to hear ("the canned 30-second speech"), and didn't let Rubio off the hook at all. He got Rubio flustered so as to repeat 3-4 times the exact same irrelevant, memorized bit! It was an amazing act of political homicide.

(I agree with you on Howard Dean, by the way.)

This. In battle rap, this would have been as close to a body bag as possible. I realized Rubio was done in that very minute (not that this was a great feat).

 

[Trotsky]

OK, two points:

1. The winner of the presidential election will be one of the major-party candidates. So abstaining or voting third party is not an option that a good citizen has, IMO.

Half-right.

Abstaining is never a viable option, but voting for a third party may be the best option for many persons, particularly those in deeply blue/red states that want to get a given third party to an electoral threshold to be able to receive funding and ballot access in future elections. In fact, in a deep blue/red state, voting third party can be the absolute greatest maximization of your vote's value and influence, since national popular vote is electorally meaningless.

2. Christie didn't actually kill Rubio. That's another example of the kind of false narratives that have come up recently (like the "Dean scream" ending his run

Half-right. Rubio was a clearly a non-starter at that point, but what Christie did to him was a complete punctuation on him being able to compete in an increasingly combative and moxie-driven race. It had everyone, Democrats and Republicans, going
. I remember showing the video to a law school friend who had previously been a Rubio supporter and he full face-palmed, which is really a feat for conservatives who are ordinarily immune to shame.

or "clutch hitting").

Full motherfucking wrong. There are many athletes who genuinely up their game in meaningful situations - and those who don't. And David Eckstein was definitely one of them. I hate baseball and I have no particular affinity for white people or small people, but Eckstein absolutely time and time again produced in clutch situations for the Cardinals. It was uncanny that a comeback would never end on an Eckstein at bat. Just a quick google showed that 2005-2007 Eckstein's late and close batting average was more than 50 points higher than his overall average (.296 - .351).

Likewise, watching Green Bay Packers games, it is night and day between Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre had multiple season-ending interceptions and shitty games. Season ending wtf interception against the Eagles in 2003. Season ending wtf interception against the Giants in 2007. Season ending wtf interception for the Vikings in 2009. Season ending interception for the Jets in 2008. Season ending shit performance (5 INT's) against the Rams in 2001. Season ending shit performance against the Vikings in 2004.

 

[Trotsky]

Ah yes so some guy with a Thai ladyboy wife gets to shit talk some Indian but the Indian has to keep quite.

Definite racism and definitely reported.

"Ladyboy" is an objectively funny term, but let's not stoke transphobia as a proxy for ethnic pissing matches, yeah?

I could not agree more.



But his following response further proved that he was serious in what he wrote. I described the thoughts of one person, that of my wife, and was open enough to share her IMO offensive opinions. I have on a number of occasions pointed out that I do live with a person that I label as having racist thoughts, that derive far away from my own world views, and the manner in regards of thinking out loud.

With experience from Thailand I was also pointing out that there is a large amount of Indians having tailorshops. And knowing some people that are police, I can also say that the shops are there as a disguise for a much more lucrative buisness, namely the one of heroine and marijuana. If it is hard to grasp the reality, then I don´t know what to say.

Thais are very emotional, proud and loving people, that has a tendency to speak their minds. More often than not they go resolute for violence, if they lose face. Many are openly racist against people from India, and the flavor of ones taste in others is nothing I´m making up, and what is wrong if women don´t like certain types of men?

I stand for what I wrote what the average thai woman think of Indians. I would also mention.

- A very large amount of western men in Thailand is there for less than flattering reasons. Either they escaped the law or are purely sex tourists.
- There are many men who is taking their own lifes when their money runs out, and have no friends or family to ask, because they broke that relationship long ago in borrowing money to never return.
- Long time stayers don´t go for Visa runs and know the day they are caught by the police for some reason, they can´t pay the overstay fee and are thrown to prison. And there are many of those in Thailand in this situation (staying illegally).
- The largest ethnic group that is not thai in prisons are from Nigeria
- etc etc If you would like to know more, just ask

Trotsky, I didn´t make that reply to attack him with insults. I was just pointing out some of my own experience and observations. And I´m truely sorry if it all sounded racist. That was not my intention.

Have a good day.

You're fine and do not need to apologize to me. I was just playing devil's advocate for why that poster had become so hostile and to get on a soapbox about an area of chronic unabashed racism that I see here on the forum toward Asian men.

 

[Islam Imamate]

"Ladyboy" is an objectively funny term, but let's not stoke transphobia as a proxy for ethnic pissing matches, yeah?

Hey I did say...

 

[Fawlty]

Is "ladyboy" really transphobic? It's shorthand and practically an industry term.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Half-right.

Abstaining is never a viable option, but voting for a third party may be the best option for many persons, particularly those in deeply blue/red states that want to get a given third party to an electoral threshold to be able to receive funding and ballot access in future elections. In fact, in a deep blue/red state, voting third party can be the absolute greatest maximization of your vote's value and influence, since national popular vote is electorally meaningless.

Half-right. Rubio was a clearly a non-starter at that point, but what Christie did to him was a complete punctuation on him being able to compete in an increasingly combative and moxie-driven race. It had everyone, Democrats and Republicans, going. I remember showing the video to a law school friend who had previously been a Rubio supporter and he full face-palmed, which is really a feat for conservatives who are ordinarily immune to shame.

I'd say that you're half-right on the first point (putting me at roughly three-quarters). First, saying that the state is already going to the better candidate and thus you can cast a "message" vote relies on other people behaving more responsibly than you are. And saying that it's already not going to the better candidate seems to be something that could be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also, the national popular vote does at least send a message.

On the second point, I agree that Rubio got roasted, and you seem to agree that he was already doomed. So I'd give us both full credit for that one except that I have to give you a partial demerit for failing to acknowledge the full correctness of my point (you score better leaving posts blank than getting something wrong).

Full motherfucking wrong. There are many athletes who genuinely up their game in meaningful situations - and those who don't. And David Eckstein was definitely one of them. I hate baseball and I have no particular affinity for white people or small people, but Eckstein absolutely time and time again produced in clutch situations for the Cardinals. It was uncanny that a comeback would never end on an Eckstein at bat. Just a quick google showed that 2005-2007 Eckstein's late and close batting average was more than 50 points higher than his overall average (.296 - .351).

Think about what you're saying. "If you look at 200 ABs in particular situations in a period of time selected specifically because he outperformed in those situations, his numbers are better than his overall numbers." For his career, he was (as you'd expect) about the same in late and close situations as he was overall. His OPS in tie games was worse than it was in games with a one-run game, which in turn was worse than in games with a two-run gap, which was worse than in games with a three-run gap (not making the opposite point--the numbers are actually almost identical--just think it's funny). His best innings were the sixth and seventh (I'd guess those are the best for everyone, given that it's when starters are tiring and have been through the order a couple of times and before you'd see the bullpen or when you'd see the lesser relievers). His OPS was also almost exactly the same in first and second halves of seasons (June was his best month).

Since stats are very volatile with a small sample, my theory (that variation from the baseline is chance) would lead me to expect that players put up outstanding numbers in clutch situations, BTW. Especially if you get to cherry-pick a three-year period that is only 200 ABs.

 

[HomerThompson]

I'd say that you're half-right on the first point (putting me at roughly three-quarters). First, saying that the state is already going to the better candidate and thus you can cast a "message" vote relies on other people behaving more responsibly than you are. And saying that it's already not going to the better candidate seems to be something that could be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also, the national popular vote does at least send a message.

On the second point, I agree that Rubio got roasted, and you seem to agree that he was already doomed. So I'd give us both full credit for that one except that I have to give you a partial demerit for failing to acknowledge the full correctness of my point (you score better leaving posts blank than getting something wrong).



Think about what you're saying. "If you look at 200 ABs in particular situations in a period of time selected specifically because he outperformed in those situations, his numbers are better than his overall numbers." For his career, he was (as you'd expect) about the same in late and close situations as he was overall. His OPS in tie games was worse than it was in games with a one-run game, which in turn was worse than in games with a two-run gap, which was worse than in games with a three-run gap (not making the opposite point--the numbers are actually almost identical--just think it's funny). His best innings were the sixth and seventh (I'd guess those are the best for everyone, given that it's when starters are tiring and have been through the order a couple of times and before you'd see the bullpen or when you'd see the lesser relievers). His OPS was also almost exactly the same in first and second halves of seasons (June was his best month).

You're both 2/3 wrong, and 4/5 correct.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Holy shit. I got off work and I smoked a few bowls and stopped for a drink and I'm on the patio and there's like a hella serious family convo. "I wasn't the reason your mom died" came up from someone who sounds like she lives in a rural casino.

 

[Rational Poster]

I just stick with Peter Jordanson

 

[Fawlty]

Hey Jack, when is baseball going to finally ditch the myth that there's such a thing as a "starting pitcher?"

 

[Gregolian]

Holy shit. I got off work and I smoked a few bowls and stopped for a drink and I'm on the patio and there's like a hella serious family convo. "I wasn't the reason your mom died" came up from someone who sounds like she lives in a rural casino.

Stupid question since you work in the industry... is there any easy way to search for bartender jobs other than like... Craigslist?

Hey Jack, when is baseball going to finally ditch the myth that there's such a thing as a "starting pitcher?"

Probably when guys like Chris Sale start to retire.

 

[MiniCraque]

Saw this beauty of a cringe thread on Reddit over the weekend. Jordan Peterson Acolyte NPC takes his gf to see him speak, get's dumped and wonders why.

I wasn't aware that the young lobsters actually cried at these gatherings.

I wanted to make fun of them with some sort of joke but it's more (deeply) disturbing than it is pathetic.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Looks like I am moving to Orlando boys. So after the new year, the Florida Man stories could be me!