War Room Lounge V26: Neoliberal Clicks

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Lord Coke said:
I disagree. The Frankfurt school aim was to postulate and promote the conditions needed to bring forth the communist state. That is a broad departure from Marx that saw communism as a inevitable reaction to capitalism rather than something that needed to be implemented. WWI was one of the several events that triggered this paradigm shift in communist theory. The fact workers remained loyal to their nation state and fought other members of their class made communist and socialist theorist realize that the nation state and principals of nationalism needed to be weakened. This would make members of their proletariat find more solidarity with their class than nation. Thus, making the implementation of communism more achievable. Based on that and implementing the goals of the Frankfurt school the strength of the nation state must be weakened in order to implement communism. Mass immigration is a way to achieve that because the influx of immigrants weakened the ties of the workers to their nation. @Greoric this is what you were getting at right?
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Well, this doesn't reflect any better on him. Let's follow the train:

1. Some Marxist intellectuals in the 1930s theorized about the way to bring forth communism (which is stateless, BTW).
2. Some right-wingers today think that "mass immigration" weakens the ties of workers to their nation.
3. Therefore, opponents of Ryan's attempt to push through a bunch of visas for Irish people to America (on the grounds that such proposal is hypocritical) are Marxists?

That's not good reasoning. It's not really even reasoning. For one thing, it's totally backwards (wouldn't supporters of Ryan's actions be the people who are helping to bring about the conditions for communism and thus the inadvertent Marxists?). For another, the opponents of Ryan would have to agree with the false premise that immigration weakens ties of workers to their nation and the premise that weakening ties to a nation brings about communism, and they'd have to actually support/oppose (remember it's backwards) it for that reason. So, again, Greoric comes off looking like someone who just doesn't know what he's talking about (which is why he wisely reported to throwing out an empty personal attack rather than get into the weeds).

And another thing: He's a grown man. He's been reading the WR for a decade. And he still is completely clueless about mainstream liberal beliefs and finds it to be some kind of incomprehensible, alien ideology. How is that possible? Like, he doesn't even understand enough to say if he really even disagrees with real ideas.
 
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Jack V Savage said:
Well, this doesn't reflect any better on him. Let's follow the train:

1. Some Marxist intellectuals in the 1930s theorized about the way to bring forth communism (which is stateless, BTW).
2. Some right-wingers today think that "mass immigration" weakens the ties of workers to their nation.
3. Therefore, opponents of Ryan's attempt to push through a bunch of visas for Irish people to America (on the grounds that such proposal is hypocritical) are Marxists?

That's not good reasoning. It's not really even reasoning. For one thing, it's totally backwards (wouldn't supporters of Ryan's actions be the people who are helping to bring about the conditions for communism and thus the inadvertent Marxists?). For another, the opponents of Ryan would have to agree with the false premise that immigration weakens ties of workers to their nation and the premise that weakening ties to a nation brings about communism, and they'd have to actually support/oppose (remember it's backwards) it for that reason. So, again, Greoric comes off looking like someone who just doesn't know what he's talking about (which is why he wisely reported to throwing out an empty personal attack rather than get into the weeds).

And another thing: He's a grown man. He's been reading the WR for a decade. And he still is completely clueless about mainstream liberal beliefs and finds it to be some kind of incomprehensible, alien ideology. How is that possible? Like, he doesn't even understand enough to say if he really even disagrees with real ideas.
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Here's some shock news for you. Maybe people don't want to "get into the weeds" because you're a hack that can't have an honest conversation. Like, ever. I've actually never seen you be genuine, anywhere, about anything. You're a parasite to legitimate discourse on here. Take @Rod1 . He's liberal AF, but some how our discussions cross pages of threads. No guy. The common denominator is you.
 
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Greoric said:
Here's some shock news for you. Maybe people don't want to "get into the weeds" because you're a hack that can't have an honest conversation. Like, ever. I've actually never seen you be genuine, anywhere, about anything. You're a parasite to legitimate discourse on here. Take @Rod1 . He's liberal AF, but some how our discussions cross pages of threads. No guy. The common denominator is you.
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Greoric said:
Here's some shock news for you. Maybe people don't want to "get into the weeds" because you're a hack that can't have an honest conversation. Like, ever. I've actually never seen you be genuine, anywhere, about anything. You're a parasite to legitimate discourse on here. Take @Rod1 . He's liberal AF, but some how our discussions cross pages of threads. No guy. The common denominator is you.
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No offense, but everyone reading--including you--knows that the issue is just that you are too proud to admit your ignorance and just lash out when you're over your head. You literally cannot produce a single example of dishonest discourse from me, while you just showed that you don't know the meaning of the terms you're using (not the first time for that).
 
Jack V Savage said:
No offense, but everyone reading--including you--knows that the issue is just that you are too proud to admit your ignorance and just lash out when you're over your head. You literally cannot produce a single example of dishonest discourse from me, while you just showed that you don't know the meaning of the terms you're using (not the first time for that).
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Shhhh.
 
Greoric said:
Shhhh.
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You're trying to save face as you find that your argument was bad and you're not just able to be honorable and say that you didn't really know what you were talking about, but you actually make yourself look even worse with this stuff.
 
Greoric said:
Here's some shock news for you. Maybe people don't want to "get into the weeds" because you're a hack that can't have an honest conversation. Like, ever. I've actually never seen you be genuine, anywhere, about anything. You're a parasite to legitimate discourse on here. Take @Rod1 . He's liberal AF, but some how our discussions cross pages of threads. No guy. The common denominator is you.
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Super Liberal @Rod1 .....
 
Hey everyone. I'm going to bring this up again. Not to be a dick but to make this clear to as many people as possible.
Flaming- There are limits to the mild flaming that is allowed in the War Room. If you find your posts only containing flaming, you'll likely receive infractions. This is a form of derailment in which you are no longer discussing the topic at hand and choosing to just personally attack another poster. Avoid severe accusations against other posters, both direct and implied (such as murder, paedophilia and rape). A strong line is drawn on any threats (whether violent/sexual) to other posters or members of their families.
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Don't directly call anyone a pedophile or imply they are. It's not worth it and won't be tolerated.
 
Can we make accusations about ourselves?
 
Lead said:
I both want and do not want to see where this is going.
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"I raped people in xxxxxxx's family and it was the wrong thing to do"

I'll show myself the door....
 
Fawlty said:
"I raped people in xxxxxxx's family and it was the wrong thing to do"

I'll show myself the door....
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I suppose you made that as on the line as you could. This has been a bad exercise.
 
Not sure how to steer out of this unpleasantness, but I want to bitch about getting the worst head cold I've ever had. The roughest 24 hours was basically nonstop coughing, and the amount of slime that came out of my head was impossible. The kind of cold where you wake up drowning and it's not guaranteed that you're going to breathe again. But symptoms are disappearing as quickly as they came on. I don't like this ebola head cold shit. It's insane.
 
Fawlty said:
Not sure how to steer out of this unpleasantness, but I want to bitch about getting the worst head cold I've ever had. The roughest 24 hours was basically nonstop coughing, and the amount of slime that came out of my head was impossible. The kind of cold where you wake up drowning and it's not guaranteed that you're going to breathe again. But symptoms are disappearing as quickly as they came on. I don't like this ebola head cold shit. It's insane.
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The worst I've gotten sick only lasted 24 hours but i legit remember laying in my bed thinking I might die cause of how weak, cold and in pain I was. It was pretty weird to feel fine the very next day. Hopefully it's the same for you.
 
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