What MMA or kickboxing fighter could've possibly made it as a pro boxer?

[Brock-B-level-Athlete]

I know, That’s absolute nonsense! The average man can’t fight. In fact at least 90% of people can’t fight, unless you learn and train, just like any skill.

 

[tekkennlee]

You mean these invincible bad ass MMA so called invincible street fighters, that can defeat any other Martial Arts with eas but can't even beat 2 normal non trained street fighters with their hands down swinging at air and sloppy as hell.

You actually think there's no Black belt trained Martial Artists that doesn't want to compete that are not better then your so called invincible MMA fighters your fooling yourself and drinking the Kolaid.

MMA fighters get beat up in a gas station, one is undefeated Kaue Mena (7-0, 1 no-contest) The other is Maiquel José Falcão Gonçalves is a Brazilian professional mixed martial artist currently competing in the Middleweight division of Fight Nights Global. A professional competitor since 2004, Falcão is perhaps best known for his stint in Bellator MMA, where he won the Season Six Middleweight Tournament.

Those street boyfriend gas station untrained men, shouldn't of been able to land a single punch against those MMA fighters at all and you actually believe that there's no one that studies Martial Arts that are actually ten times better then these guys your foolish.

These two MMA fighters should've knocked both guys out as soon as they raised their hands and never of even been touched, at all.




This is what should've happen and this guy uses Chinese grappling Chin Na Fa.
Kung fu in real fight!!!!A Chinese man fights on subway in Tai chi/tai ji style."太极高手"教你怎么放倒敌人！


For those who doesn't understand, the guy with the hood was saying, "Why did you knock me?" (possibly they walk past each other hitting shoulders or something)... The hooded guy was repeating "Why did you knock me?" and the other guy was saying "Sorry"... and the guy with the hood keep persisting saying "That's all? Sorry? You think just sorry and that's it?"... That's when the other guy do the move and brought the hooded guy to the ground. lol.

People who watched both videos if asked what martial arts is more effective in a real street fight Chinese Gung Fu or MMA 100% will say Chinese Gung Fu grappling, according to video proof, the real fact is both systems of self defensive is highly effective if used correctly and the fighter is an actual real well trained gifted Martial Artists.

 

[Badr Hari]

@tekkennlee

Take it easy man. I just think that being a hardcore fan of one martial art doesn't mean you have to shit on mixed martial arts. I am a boxing guy but I enjoy watching every other martial art and MMA aswell. I agree with you that real life fights are a different beast altogether with weapons and stuff. I just have a feeling you are bashing the whole sport of MMA based on some story or some weird massive brawl caught on tape. Also what do you mean by Gung Fu grappling. Educate me please.

 

[tekkennlee]

This is what's being taught and people believe this stuff.


While this is what i was taught by m

@tekkennlee

Take it easy man. I just think that being a hardcore fan of one martial art doesn't mean you have to shit on mixed martial arts. I am a boxing guy but I enjoy watching every other martial art and MMA aswell. I agree with you that real life fights are a different beast altogether with weapons and stuff. I just have a feeling you are bashing the whole sport of MMA based on some story or some weird massive brawl caught on tape. Also what do you mean by Gung Fu grappling. Educate me please.

I am not trashing MMA just stating the fact that people are lying and giving bad advice by inventing a so called invincible Martial Arts and everyone that does it is unstoppable and any other trained Martial Artists couldn't defeat anybody in the streets and this is a total lying money grabbing flavor of the decade fads.

I actually love MMA and Brazilian Jujitsu and all Martial Arts but hate these lies being taught and told to UN-informed fans and Martial Artists.

This is what's being taught and people believe this stuff.
Why Standing Armlocks Hardly Ever Work


While this is what i was taught by my Chinese Gung Fu teacher and this is reality.
Standing arm bars actually work and are effective.
Sakuraba vs Renzo Gracie

Shinya Aoki Vs Keith Wisniewski


People are still acting like your opponents in street fights have to be drugged or drunk to apply standing grappling techniques but this is a lie and proven in actual MMA fights and street fights, stop believing these lies, that only Brazilian Jujitsu works and only MMA works in real life street fighting and the best fighters are only MMA UFC fighters and everyone else in Martial Arts like Chinese Gung Fu and Karate and other Martial Arts are crap and ineffective, because this is total nonsense, money grabbing charge you 200 dollars a month scams.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

Off topic but the few times I've choked guys, mostly just messing around, they didn't know shit about grappling and each guy I choked they all just froze up once I grabbed their neck. Every time. It's like they don't know what's happening so they just don't do shit until they're about to go unconscious. Deer in the headlights thing. Is that what's happened to other ppl here or just me? So weird to me. I'm not trying to fight ppl anymore but I think if you have some decent hands and grappling then you'll probably be alright in terms of defending yourself. Being a woman must suck tho, even pussy ass dudes can take them.


As to the ts question, Anderson probably would've made a good boxer if he put it all into just boxing and not other stuff, that's the first guy that came to mind for me, at least.

 

[Badr Hari]

People are still acting like your opponents in street fights have to be drugged or drunk to apply standing grappling techniques but this is a lie and proven in actual MMA fights and street fights, stop believing these lies, that only Brazilian Jujitsu works and only MMA works in real life street fighting and the best fighters are only MMA UFC fighters and everyone else in Martial Arts like Chinese Gung Fu and Karate and other Martial Arts are crap and ineffective, because this is total nonsense, money grabbing charge you 200 dollars a month scams.

Well I never said that. There is talent and there are badasses in every martial art. In kung gu and karate included.

To change the subject a lil bit. With the introduction of television technology and film I believe all striking martial arts have been overrated. The whole kill with one kick or punch thing is BS. Only a sword or a bullet does that. Grappling is what people have used for millennials to dominate an opponent. And the introduction of MMA proved just that. It proved that somehow wrestling is superior to everything else and I would like to see if you agree with me here. If you can outwrestle your opponent you will most likely beat him. Even in those street fights I've seen if there's a guy even with the smallest wrestling background it's a matter of seconds he is double leg taking someone down on his back. He might still lose from there but at least he is the one on top.

 

[Endziel]

Many people asked what I meant by "made it". Sorry, I should've clarified. By "made it", I'd say made it into top 10 or top 15 of their respective weight class.

Also, what do you think of Mike Zambidis?

 

[Jonny Ninja]

This is what's being taught and people believe this stuff.


While this is what i was taught by m


I am not trashing MMA just stating the fact that people are lying and giving bad advice by inventing a so called invincible Martial Arts and everyone that does it is unstoppable and any other trained Martial Artists couldn't defeat anybody in the streets and this is a total lying money grabbing flavor of the decade fads.

I actually love MMA and Brazilian Jujitsu and all Martial Arts but hate these lies being taught and told to UN-informed fans and Martial Artists.

This is what's being taught and people believe this stuff.
Why Standing Armlocks Hardly Ever Work


While this is what i was taught by my Chinese Gung Fu teacher and this is reality.
Standing arm bars actually work and are effective.
Sakuraba vs Renzo Gracie

Shinya Aoki Vs Keith Wisniewski


People are still acting like your opponents in street fights have to be drugged or drunk to apply standing grappling techniques but this is a lie and proven in actual MMA fights and street fights, stop believing these lies, that only Brazilian Jujitsu works and only MMA works in real life street fighting and the best fighters are only MMA UFC fighters and everyone else in Martial Arts like Chinese Gung Fu and Karate and other Martial Arts are crap and ineffective, because this is total nonsense, money grabbing charge you 200 dollars a month scams.

Some traditional martial arts are situational or ineffective in the real world? Not all of them. In reality certain martial arts can match up good or bad against others. Some work better in unpredictable real life situations

There are plenty of specialists from traditional martial arts that have crossed over to mma so im not sure what your point is. In fact that is exactly how mma came to be? Mma can be a mix of any martial art. It just so happens that wrestling, boxing, bjj and MT have proven to be the most effective, and why they are the staple for any good mma gym. Anyone with a decent level of boxing, MT, and id imagine wresting as well, will have massive advantages over someone with no training.

To say that the average man can beat the shit out of proffessional mma fighter in a straight up fight is absolutely ridiculous. Even the guys that dont excell in striking will still have more than enough knowledge, intelligence, speed, power, movement over your average tough guy who thinks he’s Jonny ninja after a couple of drinks and a gram of coke. They hold all the advantages. I was bought up in pubs and worked the door in my younger years. I’ve seen literally hundreds of punch ups, and believe me the average person can’t fckin fight, they just think they can! Yet your claiming that someone who can’t fight has a good shot at beating someone up that trains and fights for a living??? Come on dude

 

[tekkennlee]

Well I never said that. There is talent and there are badasses in every martial art. In kung gu and karate included.

To change the subject a lil bit. With the introduction of television technology and film I believe all striking martial arts have been overrated. The whole kill with one kick or punch thing is BS. Only a sword or a bullet does that. Grappling is what people have used for millennials to dominate an opponent. And the introduction of MMA proved just that. It proved that somehow wrestling is superior to everything else and I would like to see if you agree with me here. If you can outwrestle your opponent you will most likely beat him. Even in those street fights I've seen if there's a guy even with the smallest wrestling background it's a matter of seconds he is double leg taking someone down on his back. He might still lose from there but at least he is the one on top.

One punch and one kick kills are 100% real and happen in boxing and street fights, it's well documented of street fights ending in one punch deaths.

Also hitting vital parts of the body can and have killed people and this is what special forces use to save their lives, but the MMA and UFC use special rules to prevent killing techniques and extend matches by not allowing small joint braking like wrist fingers and other vital striking like eyes and throat.

You should never have to grapple opponents to defeat someone, because of the risk of death do to multiple jumping s from multiple opponents friends, trying to help him kill you or defeat you, that's why standing joint braking and standing chokes also throwing techniques were invented. like you said ground grappling and standing grappling along with deadly striking of vital organs was invented to end fights in seconds and not fight for 30 minutes until you can't move, ending a serious deadly fight as fast as possible that your opponents don't care if you die is logically the most effective and smartest ways to save your life and wrestling with someone for 10 minutes then he takes a knife out of his pocket and stabs you and then you bleed to death or his friends jump you and stomp your head in and you die from a brain bleed, isn't the most effective way to street fight, but both systems are very effective and should be taught together, it's just the way you use these systems that saves your life.

But people want to make money so they push certain fighting systems and trash others to gain more wealth and this is dishonest and someone is going to get killed and jumped and seriously hurt badly because they were in the impression that wrestling with 3 guys who's trying to bash your head in could actually kill them in a real street fight.

But all martial arts are effective unless someone is teaching a fake system of martial arts.

 

[aries]

How old was Samart Payakaroon when he moved to boxing? He was basically the GOAT of Muay Thai as I understand it, Jeff Fenech sure fucked him up though, that was brutal.

He wasn't taking training seriously when he got mauled by Fenech. Too busy partying and not training hard enough.

 

[aries]

One punch and one kick kills are 100% real and happen in boxing and street fights, it's well documented of street fights ending in one punch deaths.

Also hitting vital parts of the body can and have killed people and this is what special forces use to save their lives, but the MMA and UFC use special rules to prevent killing techniques and extend matches by not allowing small joint braking like wrist fingers and other vital striking like eyes and throat.

You should never have to grapple opponents to defeat someone, because of the risk of death do to multiple jumping s from multiple opponents friends, trying to help him kill you or defeat you, that's why standing joint braking and standing chokes also throwing techniques were invented. like you said ground grappling and standing grappling along with deadly striking of vital organs was invented to end fights in seconds and not fight for 30 minutes until you can't move, ending a serious deadly fight as fast as possible that your opponents don't care if you die is logically the most effective and smartest ways to save your life and wrestling with someone for 10 minutes then he takes a knife out of his pocket and stabs you and then you bleed to death or his friends jump you and stomp your head in and you die from a brain bleed, isn't the most effective way to street fight, but both systems are very effective and should be taught together, it's just the way you use these systems that saves your life.

But people want to make money so they push certain fighting systems and trash others to gain more wealth and this is dishonest and someone is going to get killed and jumped and seriously hurt badly because they were in the impression that wrestling with 3 guys who's trying to bash your head in could actually kill them in a real street fight.

But all martial arts are effective unless someone is teaching a fake system of martial arts.

You miss a big point, if you can wrestle that means you can counter wrestle. So when you get assaulted by multiple opponents and one of them grabs a hold of your clothing or another part of your body, you know how to break their grip and get away from them because being tied up vs multiple opponents would be disastrous. Or what if one of them tries to take you down? Well then you need good takedown defence and balance to avoid going to the ground which again would be disastrous vs. multiple attackers. Defensive grappling is just as important if not more so when it comes to multiple attackers.

 

[realdealgeale]

Many people asked what I meant by "made it". Sorry, I should've clarified. By "made it", I'd say made it into top 10 or top 15 of their respective weight class.

Also, what do you think of Mike Zambidis?

I saw john wayne parr ko him in the first a few years back. His fight with gurkan ozkan was huuuuge. Massive Turkish and Greek communities in melbourne. I know the Greek Olympic team wanted him to box for them. Good power but he was seriously small in stature and reach. If he couldn't get inside on his opponent he was stuffed. A guy with a good jab and lateral movement with beat him 90% of the time.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

Cro Cop was relatively successful as an amateur boxer but frankly lacked the chin or defensive skills to box at an elite level.

Bs, whats his face is undefeated and been ranked top 10 at box Ng for a while, and he left kickboxing right after 2 losses in a row to Cro Cop.
Cro cop if never did MMA and Kickboxing would have atleast defended a world boxing championship a couple of times in any era.