What's the point of nuclear weapon?

There are plenty of studies out there but you like the flat earth people are going to dismiss them as all CT..

Galen Winsor was a wack job that talked stupid shit but any evidence I link you will dismiss as a government conspiracy.

There are reports and mountains of them on the biological effect of radiation exposure from the first test to Chernobyl.

But this is a waste of my time.

If you or anyone wants to prove Galen Winsor was right just go to a place like Lake Karachay and spend an hour sitting on the shore in the hot spot. That is 600 rem you would revive. Which is 100 percent fatal within 30 days. And a real shitty way to die.

Hm, interesting, you have no firsthand experience with nuclear bombs and have never witnessed them in person, and can only point to government studies. And you never said what the crossover weapons effect is?

And you pull out of your ass that I'm going to dismiss any study as government conspiracy when I have already linked a bunch of government studies and papers myself, you seem to have joined the discussion already with a script in hand, but it's not really that relevant to the content of my posts. Kind of disappointed in what you have provided so far, was honestly kinda excited to hear from an expert, if your taking the time to reply to my posts why not just explain some shit instead of explain why you don't want to explain lol
 
Any future global war will be a war without victory. There will be no winners, only losers. Even if you raze to the ground the most powerful military country in the world, fallout and all that crap will be enough to trigger nuclear winter.

Why keep those nuclear devices and pay shitload for maintenance where you can just spend this money elsewhere.

Just a thought.

so if we promise to get rid of all our nukes, do you think russia will do the same? israel? china?

ever wonder why world powers havent fought each other since ww2? this time period is sometimes called "the great peace." its existed for two reasons:

1. the world powers have nukes. no one with nukes wants to fight anyone else with nukes.
2. globalization - when trade crosses borders, armies dont.
 
You're wrong if you think a nuclear war can't be won. It definitely can. It will be costly, of course, but whoever comes out on top will rule the world. Thinking that a nuclear war can't be won is just a cult mantra repeated so much that everyone thinks it's true.

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

Adolf Hitler

holy shit i wish quoting hitler was a bannable offense on here.

what makes you think a nuclear war can be won? at what price can a country still claim a "win?"

why do you think youre smarter than decades of experts from USA and USSR that were convinced a nuke war could not be won?
 
holy shit i wish quoting hitler was a bannable offense on here.

what makes you think a nuclear war can be won? at what price can a country still claim a "win?"

why do you think youre smarter than decades of experts from USA and USSR that were convinced a nuke war could not be won?
Just depends on someone's personality. Some people wouldn't care if their country gets nuked down to 50 million survivors if they get to rule the world after. Some people think that people of that character run nuclear powers today.

I know several people that I consider friends that have that personality type. We're extremely lucky that for the past 50 years, neither of the 2 major powers -- or any nuclear power -- have had someone with that personality type. But that's all that is: blind luck. That personality type is very common, especially at the upper levels of leadership in both business and politics.
 
Hm, interesting, you have no firsthand experience with nuclear bombs and have never witnessed them in person, and can only point to government studies. And you never said what the crossover weapons effect is?

And you pull out of your ass that I'm going to dismiss any study as government conspiracy when I have already linked a bunch of government studies and papers myself, you seem to have joined the discussion already with a script in hand, but it's not really that relevant to the content of my posts. Kind of disappointed in what you have provided so far, was honestly kinda excited to hear from an expert, if your taking the time to reply to my posts why not just explain some shit instead of explain why you don't want to explain lol

I'm sorry you are correct you were polite to me and I should be to you. I don't believe I will convince you of anything but I will share what experience I have.

I have seen /touched nuclear weapons. However I have never seen a nuclear detonation, the number that have are small.

I spent my time in the nuclear power field. However the biological effect of of radiation exposure was based on exposure from above ground test and the bombing in Japan as well as nuclear accidens and exposure.

You can go back to Madam Curie and her death.

"All of her years of working with radioactive materials took a toll on Curie's health. She was known to carry test tubes of radium around in the pocket of her lab coat. In 1934, Curie went to the Sancellemoz Sanatorium in Passy, France, to try to rest and regain her strength. She died there on July 4, 1934, of aplastic anemia, which can be caused by prolonged exposure to radiation."

https://www.biography.com/people/marie-curie-9263538

Then the Manhattan project the deaths.

"First in August of 1945 and again in May of 1946, two Los Alamos, NM scientists, Harry Daghlian and Louis Slotin, were exposed to lethal doses of radiation while performing experiments to determine critical mass."

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/atomic-accidents

Then we will jump to Operation Desert Rock in which the army exposed soldiers to the effects of a nuclear blast.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Rock_exercises



http://www.angelfire.com/tx/atomicveteran/my-story.html

Operation Plumbbob.

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/operation-plumbbob-1957

http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/research/reports/achre/chap10_2.html

And operation crossroads.

Over all look.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/...nuclear-tests-still-fighting-for-recognition/

Theses are eye witness stories not research studies, which is what you were looking for.

Also the downwinders.

http://ilovehistory.utah.gov/time/stories/downwinders.html

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/nucleartestingandthedownwinders.html

Also government compensation for exposure.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cance...ary-personnel-exposed-to-nuclear-weapons.html

Here is a longer artical on the effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4165831/

Then we get into nuclear power and nuclear medical accidents.

Overall view but then is more detail out there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents
 
Oddly enough, the point of them now is to keep everyone at bay and remain in a stalemate. They are devices of peace to an extent.

Without nuclear weapons, we probably would've had at least one more World War by now.
 
Just depends on someone's personality. Some people wouldn't care if their country gets nuked down to 50 million survivors if they get to rule the world after. Some people think that people of that character run nuclear powers today.

I know several people that I consider friends that have that personality type. We're extremely lucky that for the past 50 years, neither of the 2 major powers -- or any nuclear power -- have had someone with that personality type. But that's all that is: blind luck. That personality type is very common, especially at the upper levels of leadership in both business and politics.

nah.

even the most ruthless bond-style villain would not think in these terms. kill your country down to 50 million? that means your economy utterly collapses. infrastructure gone. workforce gone. tax revenue gone. that benefits 0 people.
 
nah.

even the most ruthless bond-style villain would not think in these terms. kill your country down to 50 million? that means your economy utterly collapses. infrastructure gone. workforce gone. tax revenue gone. that benefits 0 people.

I can promise you that there a lots of people in high positions in business, government, and military that couldn't give less of a fuck about any of that. But dominating another power.. going down in the history books.. Hnnnnnnnnng
 
I can promise you that there a lots of people in high positions in business, government, and military that couldn't give less of a fuck about any of that. But dominating another power.. going down in the history books.. Hnnnnnnnnng

your promises arent too convincing.
 
Any future global war will be a war without victory. There will be no winners, only losers. Even if you raze to the ground the most powerful military country in the world, fallout and all that crap will be enough to trigger nuclear winter.

Why keep those nuclear devices and pay shitload for maintenance where you can just spend this money elsewhere.

Just a thought.

i agree. nuclear weapons are almost unusable, because the moment one is dropped, it won't stop until the world is over. to me, we're not able to rid them because no one is willing to make themselves vulnerable to those countries who will still have them. even if you choose a day for all countries to get rid of them, countries will still be looking upon one another on who will make the first move. no one will make a move.
 
your promises arent too convincing.
A normie can't understand, apparently. Some peoples' brains are just wired differently than your own. Try to understand a different person's thought process instead of projecting yourself onto other people.
 
We need to put a bunch of these in space for asteroids and comets.
 
Let's you sit at the big kids table.

Ex: OBL hiding in Pakistan.. What response do we have w/ Pakistan? Do we invade them? of course not, whereas Afghanistan didn't have shit and we marched in no problem

Same with NK, if they didn't have nukes Kim would've been killed long ago and we would've brought them a whole bunch of freedom
 
There is a lost Mk-15 Hydrogen Bomb buried in the mud in Wassaw Sound bay on the coast of Georgia if anyone care to go find it. Don't tell ISIS please...

"The Tybee Island B-47 crash was an incident on February 5, 1958, in which the United States Air Force lost a 7,600-pound (3,400 kg) Mark 15 nuclear bomb in the waters off Tybee Island near Savannah, Georgia. During a practice exercise, an F-86 fighter plane collided with the B-47 bomber carrying the bomb. To protect the aircrew from a possible detonation in the event of a crash, the bomb was jettisoned. Following several unsuccessful searches, the bomb was presumed lost somewhere in Wassaw Sound off the shores of Tybee Island."

 
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I'm sorry you are correct you were polite to me and I should be to you. I don't believe I will convince you of anything but I will share what experience I have.

I have seen /touched nuclear weapons. However I have never seen a nuclear detonation, the number that have are small.

I spent my time in the nuclear power field. However the biological effect of of radiation exposure was based on exposure from above ground test and the bombing in Japan as well as nuclear accidens and exposure.

You can go back to Madam Curie and her death.

"All of her years of working with radioactive materials took a toll on Curie's health. She was known to carry test tubes of radium around in the pocket of her lab coat. In 1934, Curie went to the Sancellemoz Sanatorium in Passy, France, to try to rest and regain her strength. She died there on July 4, 1934, of aplastic anemia, which can be caused by prolonged exposure to radiation."

https://www.biography.com/people/marie-curie-9263538

Then the Manhattan project the deaths.

"First in August of 1945 and again in May of 1946, two Los Alamos, NM scientists, Harry Daghlian and Louis Slotin, were exposed to lethal doses of radiation while performing experiments to determine critical mass."

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/atomic-accidents

Then we will jump to Operation Desert Rock in which the army exposed soldiers to the effects of a nuclear blast.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Rock_exercises



http://www.angelfire.com/tx/atomicveteran/my-story.html

Operation Plumbbob.

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/operation-plumbbob-1957

http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/research/reports/achre/chap10_2.html

And operation crossroads.

Over all look.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/...nuclear-tests-still-fighting-for-recognition/

Theses are eye witness stories not research studies, which is what you were looking for.

Also the downwinders.

http://ilovehistory.utah.gov/time/stories/downwinders.html

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/nucleartestingandthedownwinders.html

Also government compensation for exposure.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cance...ary-personnel-exposed-to-nuclear-weapons.html

Here is a longer artical on the effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4165831/

Then we get into nuclear power and nuclear medical accidents.

Overall view but then is more detail out there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents


So how do you reconcile the stories told by the US about radiation and the fallout, in comparison to the complete lack of birth defects or real difference in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the other firebombed cities in Japan? I mean you cannot deny the US federal government can and will manipulate information in whatever way they see fit, that why I find it more compelling to look at the information surrounding the only two instances a nuclear bomb has been dropped on a city full of people, not small isolated secret studies being reported about a highly political and monetized issue.

Because the Japanese don't seem to be as affected by the radiation and they got one dropped above their heads, and the sample size is significantly larger than any of those US tests. One would have to reasonably wonder what the difference is between all those US tests and the two cities of Japanese of people who got nuked, then wonder what the difference between the two nuked cities and the other cities bombed in Japan or Germany around the same time, they were all completely destroyed and massive amount of people died.

So one should reasonably wonder what the difference nukes actually make in reality? I mean outside of movies and TV, or propaganda, which is a thing in reality.
 
So how do you reconcile the stories told by the US about radiation and the fallout, in comparison to the complete lack of birth defects or real difference in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the other firebombed cities in Japan? I mean you cannot deny the US federal government can and will manipulate information in whatever way they see fit, that why I find it more compelling to look at the information surrounding the only two instances a nuclear bomb has been dropped on a city full of people, not small isolated secret studies being reported about a highly political and monetized issue.

Because the Japanese don't seem to be as affected by the radiation and they got one dropped above their heads, and the sample size is significantly larger than any of those US tests. One would have to reasonably wonder what the difference is between all those US tests and the two cities of Japanese of people who got nuked, then wonder what the difference between the two nuked cities and the other cities bombed in Japan or Germany around the same time, they were all completely destroyed and massive amount of people died.

So one should reasonably wonder what the difference nukes actually make in reality? I mean outside of movies and TV, or propaganda, which is a thing in reality.

You don't really get birth defects from radiation exposure unless the woman is pregnant at the time of exposure. Then it depends on the level and the stage of development. 50 mrem per month and 500 mrem for the term of the pregnancy is considered safe and that's a conservative safety margin. Most studies from weapons exposure is long term with increase cancer rates.

Chronic and acute exposed has different biological effcts.

http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~dinov/courses_students.dir/data.dir/AtomicBombSurvivorsData.htm#faq1

And then Chernobyl.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/
 
Any future global war will be a war without victory. There will be no winners, only losers. Even if you raze to the ground the most powerful military country in the world, fallout and all that crap will be enough to trigger nuclear winter.

Why keep those nuclear devices and pay shitload for maintenance where you can just spend this money elsewhere.

Just a thought.

I assumed the next big one will involve cyber warfare.

Why level a city, when you can just electronically move all of said city's money into your coffers, turn off all it's power, or leak flirty emails between Ashton and Mila
 
You don't really get birth defects from radiation exposure unless the woman is pregnant at the time of exposure. Then it depends on the level and the stage of development. 50 mrem per month and 500 mrem for the term of the pregnancy is considered safe and that's a conservative safety margin. Most studies from weapons exposure is long term with increase cancer rates.

Chronic and acute exposed has different biological effcts.

http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~dinov/courses_students.dir/data.dir/AtomicBombSurvivorsData.htm#faq1

And then Chernobyl.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/

The thing is, if you actually take the time to read all the links you provided they actually don't paint the same picture as the nuclear fallout post-apocalyptic scenario, both Chernobyl, and Nagasaki and Hiroshima, are for the most part back to normal levels of radiation and the actual number of people who had higher risk of cancer or any effects is actually quite low.

Even in your links its states there is a common misconception with the number of deaths and effects of the radiation, examples from your link:

"Most emergency workers and people living in contaminated areas received relatively low whole body radiation doses, comparable to natural background levels. As a consequence, no evidence or likelihood of decreased fertility among the affected population has been found, nor has there been any evidence of increases in congenital malformations that can be attributed to radiation exposure."

"Persistent myths and misperceptions about the threat of radiation have resulted in “paralyzing fatalism” among residents of affected areas."

"The estimated 4000 casualties may occur during the lifetime of about 600 000 people under consideration. As about quarter of them will eventually die from spontaneous cancer not caused by Chernobyl radiation, the radiation-induced increase of about 3% will be difficult to observe. However, in the most highly exposed cohorts of emergency and recovery operation workers, some increase in particular cancers (e.g., leukemia) has already been observed."

Same thing is found with studies of Japanese, it just doesn't fit with the myth of nuclear fallout permanently ruining the landscape, Japan and most of the area other than the immediate surrounding area of Chernobyl accident are no longer any more radioactive than anywhere else. And the studies I read stress the fact that public perception doesn't fit the data. The evidence can only point to a slight increase in rate of cancer and Leukemia, which may just be an effect of higher rate of detection anyways.

I'm not denying radioactivity exists, I am pointing out that nuclear bombs and nuclear fallout don't appear to have the effect that movies and TV portray, and in fact there isn't any real difference between the cities that got firebombed and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and no difference between Chernobyl and another industrial toxic waste accident, in both cases people think it was way worse than it was because of the way the story was presented by media and not because of a study of the facts.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160811120353.htm - somewhat recent summation of long term studies of Japanese survivors
"But public perception of the rates of cancer and birth defects among survivors and their children is greatly exaggerated when compared to the reality revealed by comprehensive follow-up studies."

https://atomicinsights.com/galen-winsor-asks-who-owns-the-plutonium-how-much-is-it-worth/ - here an article where more guys other than Galen Winsor mention the exaggeration of the danger of radioactivity and touches upon the monetary interests

I would have to say though you were right about something, after reading more and seeing more evidence, I have to still side with Galen Winsor and I don't think Nuclear bombs are real, I do appreciate you engaging in a thoughtful manner though, and if you have some kind of direct evidence of nuclear bombs or more compelling evidence I am interested to see it. Or if you have a more meaningful critique other than character assassination for Galen Winsor, then I am open to hear it.
 
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