what's wrong with socialism?

[Falsedawn]

Right....I don’t think we will ever see eye to eye so I guess that’s it

 

[TheGreatA]

The problem is all of the excess baggage that comes along with socialism, that has nothing to do with social services or labour rights.

 

[Jballer]

It couldn't possibly, nor is he suggesting that. If you're triggered by what he said, you didn't understand what he said. It's ok, not everyone can

Shut up commie

 

[Gutter Chris]

Danish person checking.

I thought that Denmark did not consider itself to be a socialist country

I agree with the healthcare and education by the way I just object to people calling that socialism

 

[Sano]

I guess I met the one disgruntled Dane (?) in your country haha

I mean, there's definitely things to be disgruntled about. The last 10 years, our government has been more libertarian and made a lot of cuts to our social programs, especially our healthcare system is underfunded atm. They kinda wanted to be more like the states. Fortunately people have gotten sick of it and we had a really good starting point.

One thing though, I really don't understand why you guys keep voting against your own interest. The propaganda about social initiatives have been really effective. It doesn't have to be SOCIALISM (we are not socialist btw) or FREE MARKET CAPITALISM at two ends of a spectrum. I've said this before, but there's no reason for you guys not to make the changes. Medicare and medicaid are the two most popular health insurance programs (including private insurance across the board), you would insure 30 million people and even the Koch study said that it would save the American citizens 2 trillion dollars over 10 years. The ONLY reason is "taxes are bad!!!", nevermind tens of thousands dying each year because they can't afford health insurance and thousands getting bankrupted.

Same with tuition free education. That would cost LESS than the tax cuts Trump just passed for the richest Americans. You could literally have erased all student, at 1,5 trillion$ as I said. It's insane. It would also create a much more diverse workforce, bring the poor into education which would lead to less crime and so on, so forth.

I just dont get it.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

Medicaid for all is one thing.

true socialism doesn't end there.
Let's not pretend socialism is only Healthcare and all these things that make you feel fuzzy inside.

 

[AlexDB9]

I don't think it would be that hard. Alaska has a Social Welfare Fund that distributes money to every Alaskan citizen at the end of the year, that's quite a radical policy if you think about it. To be fair Alaska has a small population but its one of the most conservative states in the country and yet they were able to institute such a program decades ago to great success.

Yeah you said it my friend, population is less than 800k

Brilliant response, wouldn’t expect anything less

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Europe has a good balance of Socialism and whatever else it is.

 

[CauseImbetta]

Taxation is theft

That's what I used to think. But no taxation, no representation. All the poor, third world shit hole countries on this planet have no taxation. The countries with the highest standard of living have the highest taxes. Think about it.

 

[Sano]

I thought that Denmark did not consider itself to be a socialist country

I agree with the healthcare and education by the way I just object to people calling that socialism

Yeah we're not socialist. The state does not control the means of production. We are a market driven economy with strong unions, sensible regulatons and extensive social programs.

 

[Ruprecht]

I noticed, and I disapproved.

@Rod1 actually made, however inadvertently, a very on-point Marxist argument in the thread about land confiscation in South Africa: that legal title to real property should not be forcibly transferred, but rather that de facto equitable title be instated though reallocation of proceeds from the productivity of said real property. That's a Marxian application - Marx did not believe that the state should seize all land/firms, but rather that economic production from the land/firms be managed by and allocated among those whose labor was depended on to extract it.

And this was a very popular sentiment in the US in the latter half of the 19th century: that wage labor (i.e. "wage slavery") was inequitable. Prominent American socialists like Eugene Debs weren't wanting the government to nationalize all workplaces: they were wanting workers to unite in managing the economy.

EDIT: Actually, it might have been @Ruprecht that made the argument now that I think of it.

Don't think so. I only mentioned native title, which isn't really labour based.
If I argued about mining leases and nationalisation it wouldn't have been inadvertent.

I love that you have a "I'm smarter than everyone" complex.

There is nothing wrong with finding apt descriptors for relatively new systems.

Stop it.

What counts as "relatively new" about a mixed economy?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah you said it my friend, population is less than 800k

The UK has a far larger population and they have had public healthcare which has worked just fine, so have toehr large European countries.

 

[luckyshot]

Yeah we're not socialist. The state does not control the means of production. We are a market driven economy with strong unions, sensible regulatons and extensive social programs.

See, that @Trotsky , I’m fookin right.

A socialist says so.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

The quality of life tends to be much worse. Just look at Venezuela. Read about life in the Soviet Union. The welfare state is good. Socialism is not.

 

[Sano]

See, that @Trotsky , I’m fookin right.

A socialist says so.

Haha, the issue is the definition. We are probably what Berni would call "democratic socialist" or rather, a social democracy. In reality that term just means a mixed economy where the government has a central role in protecting its citizens.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Or someone who doesn't want to get sniped to death by your government just for protesting:
Protester dead, others shot, in anti-Ortega marches

^^
No, I didn't even have to go to Venezuela.

I think most people see socialism and are really thinking of social democracies.

 

[Falsedawn]

Yeah you said it my friend, population is less than 800k



Brilliant response, wouldn’t expect anything less

About all you warrant, stupid.

 

[TheGreatA]

Haha, the issue is the definition. We are probably what Berni would call "democratic socialist" or rather, a social democracy. In reality that term just means a mixed economy where the government has a central role in protecting its citizens.

A real socialist would have a heart attack looking at the crew of political parties that are governing Denmark right now.

 

[BEER]

What counts as "relatively new" about a mixed economy?

I'm responding directly to his idea that new phrases muddies the debate. It's fucking dumb and the dude is getting hung up on semantics.

 

[luckyshot]

Goddam it @Jack V Savage you unliked my post.

Now this whole thread doesn’t make any freaking sense.