White Supremacist Rally, v5: White supremacism STILL unpopular! Who'd have guessed?

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NPR Poll: Majority Believes Trump's Response To Charlottesville Hasn't Been Strong Enough

NPR said:
A majority of Americans think President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville, Va., was "not strong enough," according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.

Fifty-two percent of respondents said so, as compared with just over a quarter (27 percent) who thought it was strong enough.

Eighty percent of the poll of 1,125 Americans was conducted following the president's controversial comments Tuesday blaming "both sides" for the violence that left one woman dead after a man drove his car into a crowd of protesters. The man was in Charlottesville for a march that included white supremacists, neo-Nazis and the KKK.

As to be expected when looking at questions of the president's leadership, there's a partisan split — 79 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of independents agree that Trump wasn't strong enough, but 59 percent of Republicans believe he was.

That finding comes despite several Republican elected officials and the two past living Republican presidents taking pointedly different positions than did Trump, unequivocally denouncing these groups.

Trump's position has shifted three times since Saturday. In a statement Saturday, he raised eyebrows by denouncing violence on "many sides" and not calling out white nationalist groups by name. Amid criticism and pressure, he made another statement two days later, naming those groups. Many criticized the president for waiting two days and believed he was not strong enough in his denunciations.

Then Tuesday, Trump took to the microphones again, and this time, he was ready to battle with the news media. In an unscripted press conference, the president dug in, defending his original statement Saturday. He said his hesitance to call out white supremacist groups was due to wanting all the "facts" first; he blamed "both sides" for the violence, including the "alt-left" (a phrase created by the alt-right); and he defended some of the marchers in the rally staged by white nationalists.

There is no equivocating from Americans as to how they feel about these groups. Americans have extremely low views of the "alt-right," white nationalists, white supremacists and the KKK.

A majority (50 percent), though, said they mostly agree with Black Lives Matter, including a plurality of whites.

"The president's moral equivalency is just not adding up," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion.

The poll also found a strong consensus across the political spectrum that the car attack should be investigated as an act of domestic terrorism — 67 percent overall said it should be. By party, 76 percent of Democrats, 63 percent of independents, 60 percent of Republicans, even 58 percent of Trump supporters agree.

Trump himself, however, declined to forcefully call it terrorism.



"The driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and this country," Trump said. "And that is, you can call it terrorism, you can call it murder, you can call it whatever you want, I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That's what I'd call it. Because there is a question. Is it murder, is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer and what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing."

Trump's approval rating continues to hang on historically low rungs. Just 35 percent approve of the job the president is doing overall.

"The president's response has clearly been out of step," Miringoff said. "He's talking to the fringe, not the majority of Americans."

A majority also thinks race relations have worsened in the past year since Trump has been president. There's a big divide by party on that, too. Democrats and independents think they've gotten worse, but most Republicans think they're about the same.

There isn't as big a gap by race as one might expect — 63 percent of African-Americans and 50 percent of whites believe they've gotten worse.

But when asked whether Confederate statues should remain as a historical symbol or be removed because they're offensive to some people, 62 percent say they should remain; just 27 percent said they should go.


African-Americans are divided on the question — but a plurality agree they should stay, 44 percent to 40 percent. Two-thirds of whites and Latinos believe the statues should remain as well.

The only groups in which a plurality said the statues should be removed are Democrats, especially those identifying as "strong Democrats," those identifying as "very liberal" and those who disapprove of the president.

Those who approve of the president, however, are almost unified in their belief that the statues should stay — 89 percent to 7 percent.

It's not just after Charlottesville that the president's leadership is being questioned. Sixty-one percent don't have much confidence in this president's ability to lead the nation in an international crisis.

As far as North Korea, nearly 3 in 4 favor a diplomatic rather than military means for handling the country's nuclear proliferation.
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Funny thing is it doesn't seem to be popular in the business world, either, and people really want our leaders to convey this to the white supremacists unequivocally to stave off more unrest and chaos:

Rift Widens Between Trump and Business Leaders
New York Times said:
The chief executive of Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, criticized President Trump in front of his 1.5 million American employees, widening a rift between the White House and the business community that has been growing since the weekend’s violence in Charlottesville, Va.

“As we watched the events and the response from President Trump over the weekend, we too felt that he missed a critical opportunity to help bring our country together by unequivocally rejecting the appalling actions of white supremacists,” Douglas McMillon, the Walmart C.E.O., wrote in a letter to employees late Monday.

The rebuke from Mr. McMillon came as six other business leaders stepped down from presidential advisory councils — including two late on Monday, the C.E.O.s of Intel and Under Armour — citing their own values as the primary motivation for distancing themselves from Mr. Trump.

The president hit back at his critics in the business world during a news conference at Trump Tower Tuesday. He spent several minutes lashing out at some of the most prominent executives in the country, saying that those who left his councils were “not taking their jobs seriously” and were “leaving out of embarrassment.”
If they're the ones who are "embarrassed", then how come you were forced to dissolve both of your major business councils preemptively, President Trump, in order to prevent them from causing an even more harmful headline with the exodus they had organized together where every CEO was going to join those who had left, and abandon you?
After Trump Hedges His Condemnation of Hate, C.E.O.s Organize a Mass Defection
On Tuesday, Indra Nooyi, the chief executive of PepsiCo, joined a call with other prominent corporate chieftains who — like her — had agreed to advise President Trump.

A rebellion was brewing.

Along with other business leaders, Ms. Nooyi had watched with bafflement over the weekend as Mr. Trump blamed “many sides” for an outburst of white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Va.

Ms. Nooyi spoke with Mary T. Barra, the head of General Motors, Virginia M. Rometty, the chief of IBM, and Rich Lesser, the chief executive of Boston Consulting Group, who were similarly outraged with the president’s response. All of them wondered whether it was time to step down from the Strategic and Policy Forum, an elite group formed late last year to advise the president on economic issues.

As these calls were occurring, the president’s other main business advisory group, the Manufacturing Jobs Initiative, had begun to disintegrate. Early Monday, the chief executive of Merck stepped down from that group, followed by the chiefs of Intel and Under Armour, and representatives from a labor group and a nonprofit business alliance.

Some chief executives were still on the fence on Tuesday, torn between remaining on the prestigious presidential policy advisory panel and making a statement by stepping down.

But after the president delivered a series of stunning remarks in the gilded lobby of Trump Tower on Tuesday afternoon, when he again equated far-right hate groups with the groups protesting them, many chief executives had enough.

On Wednesday morning, a dozen of the country’s most influential C.E.O.s joined a conference call, and, after some debate, a consensus emerged: The policy forum would be disbanded, delivering a blow to a president who came into office boasting of his close ties with business leaders.


With the collapse of the councils, the president has all but lost his most natural constituency — the corporate leaders who stood to benefit from his agenda of lower taxes and lighter regulation.

Before they could make a statement announcing their decision, however, Mr. Trump spoke. He had caught wind of their planned defection and wanted to have the last word. Taking to Twitter, he wrote: “Rather than putting pressure on the businesspeople of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, I am ending both. Thank you all!”
Once again, Trump self-owned because he couldn't put down his phone. What do they call it when you keep making the same mistake and expecting a different result?



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Yeah, no surprise. Even Bill Burr (who I consider a politically apathetic centrist by American standards) thought it was bullshit.

 
Everyone who disagrees with Madmick and Quipler is a Nazi. Keep that in mind.
 
"Hillary has a 96% chance of winning according to the polls" - Mergemick & friends
 
50% of people agreeing with BLM kinda implies that this poll was taken by idiots anyway.
 
wow, 5 threads on this.

I figured it would be easy. Free speech for everyone. If you disagree you can counter with your own free speech. Violence from any side should not be tolerated.
 
"Hillary has a 96% chance of winning according to the polls" - Mergemick & friends
Which leaves a 4% chance to lose.

And she won by 3.2 million votes, but not in the right places; furthermore, upsets are endemic to statistical projection and prediction. Is this on topic?
 
wow, 5 threads on this.

I figured it would be easy. Free speech for everyone. If you disagree you can counter with your own free speech. Violence from any side should not be tolerated.
It's important enough for at least a few.
With your opinion here noted in each prominently
 
50% of people agreeing with BLM kinda implies that this poll was taken by idiots anyway.

You don't think the black community has legit grievances when compared to white supremacists and Nazis?
 
Which leaves a 4% chance to lose.

And she won by 3.2 million votes, but not in the right places; furthermore, upsets are endemic to statistical projection and prediction. Is this on topic?
Not to mention that polls do not give a chance to win or lose, that is done by people. The polls had the race fairly close, and within the margin of error really.
 
Not to mention that polls do not give a chance to win or lose, that is done by people. The polls had the race fairly close, and within the margin of error really.
I also fail to see the long-game TCK is playing, here. It appears he's suggesting that these polls are "fake news" and that White Supremacism is probably broadly popular (just as Trump managed to win despite the poll projections for him).
 
I also fail to see the long-game TCK is playing, here. It appears he's suggesting that these polls are "fake news" and that White Supremacism is probably broadly popular (just as Trump managed to win despite the poll projections for him).
Or he's saying that a sampling that has 50% support for blm is more likely to not be happy with trump condemning nazis but not hard enough, whatever the fuck that means
 
WTF??? Only 52% said it wasn't strong enough?
This is an embarrassing result.

It's Trump vs GOP, hollywood, dems, MSM - should be at least 75% imo.

Hmmm this is not enough to destroy Trump. Can we please all agree that the MSM should double their negative reporting and propaganda on Trump?

Ok maybe not double, because we have already around 95% negative reporting...

anyway,
#impeachTrump
 
I'm surprised anyone pays attention to a white supremacist rally. I mean besides the Police.

Let them march through, while the police watch, (to keep them from smashing something) and then go home; ignored.

"The driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and this country," Trump said. "And that is, you can call it terrorism, you can call it murder, you can call it whatever you want, I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That's what I'd call it. Because there is a question. Is it murder, is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer and what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing."

This doesn't sound that bad. He seems to be calling for action more than specifying a word to call it.
 
NPR Poll: Majority Believes Trump's Response To Charlottesville Hasn't Been Strong Enough

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Funny thing is it doesn't seem to be popular in the business world, either, and people really want our leaders to convey this to the white supremacists unequivocally to stave off more unrest and chaos:

Rift Widens Between Trump and Business Leaders

If they're the ones who are "embarrassed", then how come you were forced to dissolve both of your major business councils preemptively, President Trump, in order to prevent them from causing an even more harmful headline with the exodus they had organized together where every CEO was going to join those who had left, and abandon you?
After Trump Hedges His Condemnation of Hate, C.E.O.s Organize a Mass Defection

Once again, Trump self-owned because he couldn't put down his phone. What do they call it when you keep making the same mistake and expecting a different result?



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People are so gullible it's painful. Trump himself is so gullible going into these things thinking these people would actually attempt to work with him and not do exactly what they did. All of this is political production orchestrated from the start to make him look bad. Oh, Indra Nooyi pulled out of the Council? You mean this lady?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoin...sparagement-of-women-has-to-end/#7abbb37c3eff

A woman shedding tears over Hillary's loss who herself is attempting to enter politics clearly went into this with no personal motivations, simply an open and honest heart and goodwill towards all, especially Trump. That dastardly Trump just can't be worked with!! HE'S AN EGOMANIAC!!

Oh man, Kenneth Frazier, CEO of Merck pulled out?!?! Who'd of thunk it?!?! The same Kenneth Frazier who donated thousands and thousands of dollars to the DNC in both 2016 and 2012? Who donated to something called the "Obama victory fund" in 2008? That guy says Trump is incorrigble? No way!!

https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/kenneth-frazier.asp?cycle=16

https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/kenneth-frazier.asp?cycle=12

https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/kenneth-frazier.asp?cycle=08

Mark Fields is dropping out? The same dude who donated a bunch of money to ACTBLUE? shocker....

https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mark-fields.asp?cycle=16

I just got tired of looking them up after that.
 
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