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Hendricks, Aldo, Silva, Lawler, Hendo, Belfort
No proofs but we can all read between the lines
No proofs but we can all read between the lines
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Who has had the biggest performance drop off post USADA.
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Mousasi was on fire after USADA. Shogun is undefeated but he has not looked like a world beater.
Hendricks is just too obvious. Machida and Weidman had to be mentioned.
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RDA? the guy is still a wrecking machine, he's only been outfought by two fighters with the best cardio in their weight classes in tony and colby.
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No other answer really. Went from a world champion to a fat bum.
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It was weird how Machida looked, by far, the best he's ever looked in his life against Mousasi. Somehow did it at the ripe age of like 38 too...
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Pretty clear:
*Lombard, went from 3-0 pre USADA (1 of those overturned due to steroids), to 0-5 post USADA.
Hendricks went from 2-1 pre USADA, including 2 title fights, to 1-5 post and missing weight 3 times in 2 weight classes. The 1 win was over... Lombard.
*Vitor fell off a cliff, and has gone 2-4 post USADA, though one of those loses got overturned to to Kelvin & weed. All 4 losses by KO/TKO. Wins are over Hendo and Nate, who are both old/worn as shit.
Bad, but there's other shit going on too:
Weidman is 1-3, all 3 by TKO/KO, vs MW champ before. Was competitive in all of them until he was out though.
Rashad is 0-5 post USADA, coming of 2 wins pre-USADA. Milage, injuries, and rust can explain a ton though.
*Anderson is 1-2, but those 2 losses were beating the fuck out of Bisping and hurting DC after getting up off his couch a day before the fight. 1 win should proabaly be a loss though, vs. Brunson.
Erick Silva is either 1-3 or 1-4 (not sure if he was USADA tested vs. Magny), but he's been alternating wins and losses since he came into the UFC. In 14 UFC fights, he's got ONE 2 fight win streak. Silva was a prospect who simply never panned out, not someone who suddenly went downhill due to testing, though that may not have helped.
Barao is 1-3 post USADA, but TJ brutalized him twice pre-USADA.
Not bad, just fucked:
*Jones is missing 1 win, and almost certainly 2, entirely due to USADA. But it'd be hard to say he's declined much at all.
*Reem is clearly not Ubereem anymore, but he's also 4-3 under USADA.
*Machida had a better record post-USADA than pre (2-1 vs 2-3), but only 3 fights due to being suspended essentially for being dumb.
The problem with a lot of these fighters is they're also at the end of his career due to age or milage, so we should be expecting them to lose often and badly. It's really easy to blame USADA, but not always accurate.
*failed a drug test of one sort or another during their career.
*Lombard, went from 3-0 pre USADA (1 of those overturned due to steroids), to 0-5 post USADA.
Hendricks went from 2-1 pre USADA, including 2 title fights, to 1-5 post and missing weight 3 times in 2 weight classes. The 1 win was over... Lombard.
*Vitor fell off a cliff, and has gone 2-4 post USADA, though one of those loses got overturned to to Kelvin & weed. All 4 losses by KO/TKO. Wins are over Hendo and Nate, who are both old/worn as shit.
Bad, but there's other shit going on too:
Weidman is 1-3, all 3 by TKO/KO, vs MW champ before. Was competitive in all of them until he was out though.
Rashad is 0-5 post USADA, coming of 2 wins pre-USADA. Milage, injuries, and rust can explain a ton though.
*Anderson is 1-2, but those 2 losses were beating the fuck out of Bisping and hurting DC after getting up off his couch a day before the fight. 1 win should proabaly be a loss though, vs. Brunson.
Erick Silva is either 1-3 or 1-4 (not sure if he was USADA tested vs. Magny), but he's been alternating wins and losses since he came into the UFC. In 14 UFC fights, he's got ONE 2 fight win streak. Silva was a prospect who simply never panned out, not someone who suddenly went downhill due to testing, though that may not have helped.
Barao is 1-3 post USADA, but TJ brutalized him twice pre-USADA.
Not bad, just fucked:
*Jones is missing 1 win, and almost certainly 2, entirely due to USADA. But it'd be hard to say he's declined much at all.
*Reem is clearly not Ubereem anymore, but he's also 4-3 under USADA.
*Machida had a better record post-USADA than pre (2-1 vs 2-3), but only 3 fights due to being suspended essentially for being dumb.
The problem with a lot of these fighters is they're also at the end of his career due to age or milage, so we should be expecting them to lose often and badly. It's really easy to blame USADA, but not always accurate.
*failed a drug test of one sort or another during their career.
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Great research digging up the records! Crazy to think about Condit - he's someone who almost never gets mentioned in these discussions.
I disagree with you about Ronda. I think that was more a matter of her lack of striking skills being exposed. I doubt being any stronger or better conditioned would have helped her match up with Holm or Nunes striking.
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I was just curious if you would be honest about why you said that the way you did and clearly, you are honest.
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At LW I mean, he had rough outings and hasn't looked the same.
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It's strange to me how this thread, in which several people have posted well-researched, intelligent posts, gets wastelanded.
I wish a mod took the time to explain the current sherdog stance on PED accusations. The rules used to be clear: if you accuse a fighter without proof, or even strongly insinuate that he was on something, you would get punished. Then at some point, the mods began to completely ignore accusations of this sort. You could call Aldo a juicer, for ex., and Mods would turn a blind eye. You even had mods calling so-and-so a juicer and other mods just shrugging their shoulders when they were reported.
Now this thread gets wastelanded ...why? Can Sherdog please get its shit together and moderate with some consistency please?
I wish a mod took the time to explain the current sherdog stance on PED accusations. The rules used to be clear: if you accuse a fighter without proof, or even strongly insinuate that he was on something, you would get punished. Then at some point, the mods began to completely ignore accusations of this sort. You could call Aldo a juicer, for ex., and Mods would turn a blind eye. You even had mods calling so-and-so a juicer and other mods just shrugging their shoulders when they were reported.
Now this thread gets wastelanded ...why? Can Sherdog please get its shit together and moderate with some consistency please?
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It is not being offended, it is his reaction and speech pattern that made him suspicious.
He was super defensive and provided a lot of unnecessary information.
You mean Conor was over dramatic at a press conference?? Yea totally out of character...
Yeah, but I think if he kept a good diet, he would still be a top 10 ww
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I don't know about that. It was more than just a physical drop off for Johnny. It's in his head, too. Like it just sapped his confidence. He always wore that goofy smile before, but now his eyes look empty. I think any chance he had of recovering his confidence disappeared when Wonderboy beat him down. It's too bad. I really liked him until he took the 5th round off against GSP.
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He wasn't dramatic when Nate accused of everyone (not just McGregor) of using steroids, he was super defensive and tried to convince people with long explanation. He could laugh it off if he was innocent
Lol wtf are you talking about?? He wasn't defensive when Nate made a general statement but became defensive when Nate made a comment about him personally???
= must be on steroids.
Sherdog never ceases to amaze me with the level of stupidity in the world. Gotta love this place.
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Just a note. Usada only started testing properly on October 1st of that year. That's when athletes started providing location info etc.
Prior to that it was largely education
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