Who is on your ignore list?

[Jack V Savage]

I see you guys talking past each other so I hoped maybe I could clarify things a bit more if possible. I feel like I've had a similar discussion with @Greoric before though...

I don't know that "talking past each other" is the issue. Greoric was objecting to a definition because it was tautological, not looking up why anyone would laugh at that, and is completely clueless about what the spectrum means or its history. Where else can one go from that?

Do definitions apply tautologies? I don't know what translation app you're using, but in English they're usually avoided when asking for clarifications... or definitions.

This is a baseball bat, by definition:

Is that a problem for you? If you say, "that's not a baseball bat," I can't prove that it's a baseball bat. It is one by definition. If we come up with words to define it, those words are describing the object pictured. It's not a tautology to say that. If you object to calling that a baseball bat, there's nothing I can say to convince you.

 

[Greoric]

I don't know that "talking past each other" is the issue. Greoric was objecting to a definition because it was tautological, not looking up why anyone would laugh at that, and is completely clueless about what the spectrum means or its history. Where else can one go from that?

Is it laughable because you think definitions are tautologies? If so, how'd you get out of school?

 

[Islam Imamate]

The left leaning anarchists want a totalitarian state before they want to achieve statelessness. In that respect, they're the epitome of centralization.

Those are the socialists. The centralization is supposed to precede the decentralization but it has to be mediated by a central state. I think leftists anarchist advocate for local democracies and sustainable local communes and what not. This is why some are fascinated by the Kurds. One of their leaders has incorporated anarchist ideas and some of that is being put into practice in the Kurdish areas of Syria. There was no need for a central state, in fact they wiped one away to establish their system.

As for the right, sure they want some policies of centralized power, but on a sliding scale and in toto they want more decentralization than activists to their left. That's why its a spectrum. At one end, you have someone like me that wants complete decentralized power and equal rights. Further to the left you have a neo-con like @Fedorable. Then you. Then someone like Workers United that want's race centered tyranny.

I don't think that's accurate at all. There are a lot of people on the right who support strong central states. Look at all the right wing nationalists in Europe and North America. They want a strong nation-state as well.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Mostly libs from the war room. The shit talking variety. Some are ok like @Fawlty and @Overpressure.

How many times do I have to tell you, call me sir goddammit

 

[Fatchops]

LOL I earned my spot because of this thread:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/evidence-of-god-vs-evidence-for-no-god.3073179/page-75

He could no longer respond and then found a way to block me for something to save face...

That was some epic ownage. You have defeated my arguements, therefor I decree you as annoying and ignored!

 

[Greoric]

This is a baseball bat, by definition:

Is that a problem for you? If you say, "that's not a baseball bat," I can't prove that it's a baseball bat. It is one by definition. If we come up with words to define it, those words are describing the object pictured. It's not a tautology to say that. If you object to calling that a baseball bat, there's nothing I can say to convince you.

Telling me a baseball bat is a baseball bat isn't a definition. In the same way saying a monarchy is not the definition of the right. And hence my original question, of how do you figure monarchies are right of center?

Not to mention I've noticed you haven't even admitted that the definition for right v. left is temporally fluid. The right in 1400 France does not have the same meaning as the right in 2016.

 

[Greoric]

Those are the socialists. The centralization is supposed to precede the decentralization but it has to be mediated by a central state. I think leftists anarchist advocate for local democracies and sustainable local communes and what not. This is why some are fascinated by the Kurds. One of their leaders has incorporated anarchist ideas and some of that is being put into practice in the Kurdish areas of Syria. There was no need for a central state, in fact they wiped one away to establish their system.

I don't think that's accurate at all. There are a lot of people on the right who support strong central states. Look at all the right wing nationalists in Europe and North America. They want a strong nation-state as well.

The point is that Anarchists want to use state power to first collectivize everything first. To the extent they don't want to go that far, then they're still left of center but right of the left most point.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Telling me a baseball bat is a baseball bat isn't a definition. In the same way saying a monarchy is not the definition of the right. And hence my original question, of how do you figure monarchies are right of center?

Monarchies are right of center by definition, just as that baseball bat is a baseball bat by definition.

 

[HomerThompson]

I've never put anyone on my ignore list, and I never will. I can just scroll past stupid posts if I so desire.

 

[Greoric]

Monarchies are right of center by definition, just as that baseball bat is a baseball bat by definition.

Cool. That's not a definition though so again, how do you figure?

Anyway I'll be out for awhile so we'll waste some more time together when I get back. Till then take care and happy holidays.

@Kafir-kun you to mate.

 

[The Moloko man]

no one

let's be honest

if you're so thinned skinned to have to put someone on ignore then get off the internet

Basically this...also I kinda like to argue and win(at least in my mind)I always kind of wondered if I was on someone's ignore list though

 

[Fedorable]

The left leaning anarchists want a totalitarian state before they want to achieve statelessness. In that respect, they're the epitome of centralization.

As for the right, sure they want some policies of centralized power, but on a sliding scale and in toto they want more decentralization than activists to their left. That's why its a spectrum. At one end, you have someone like me that wants complete decentralized power and equal rights. Further to the left you have a neo-con like @Fedorable. Then you. Then someone like Workers United that want's race centered tyranny.

I never had a label before.

 

[ShinkanPo]

I might start ignoring more people...


I know there poeople who have ignored me before because they think I am so borring hahahah

 

[UpaLoompa]

How do you figure?

Anyway, in your last quoted section the top two statements were demonstrable facts.

How do I figure that monarchies are right-wing?
Seriously? You really should stop using words if you're so unfamiliar with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics#History
The history of right- and left-wing places monarchies on the right. And yes, there are and can be right-wing authoritarian states.

The problem, as often is the case with you, is that you use personal definitions that are divorced from common usage, are divorced from history, and are never stated. You seem to define left- and right-wing strictly based on centralization. That is a misuse of terms (whether deliberatly or out of ignorance). If you're going to have operational definitions that don't match either the connotation or denotation of words you really shouldn't use those words. How about we agree to call your version of right and left wing "Chicken wing" and "Turkey wing" respectively as opposed to misusing words that already have meanings?

As for the rest, yes centralization can be pursued either by the left or the right. No, centralization isn't necessarily bad and bad isn't defined by where something falls on that political spectrum anyway.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Cool. That's not a definition though so again, how do you figure?

"By definition" means something different than you seem to think it means.

 

[Armbars]

I think your all equally a bunch of cunts. But not bad enough to be ignored.

 

[SafeSpace]

Anyone that has a different opinion than that of my own. I don't like the put-downs.

I'd block Hollywood nicky if he still posted on here for the lols.

 

[My Spot]

Anyone that has a different opinion than that of my own. I don't like the put-downs.

I'd block Hollywood nicky if he still posted on here for the lols.

How would you know about HN? He was banned before you registered...
You wouldn't block him anyhow. He was the straw that stirred the drink and is every bit as crazy irl as he is on here.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

How would you know about HN? He was banned before you registered...
You wouldn't block him anyhow. He was the straw that stirred the drink and is every bit as crazy irl as he is on here.

He was banned? I was wondering where he had gotten to.

 

[My Spot]

He was banned? I was wondering where he had gotten to.

It was shortly before this "new" Sherdog last year. Probably something to do with Israel or Jews. He told me on FB he might come back eventually.