yeh it was right at the time he did a runner from Por pramuk
First the diplomatic answer, you can't compare them, they are different sports. Now the not so diplomatic answer: Of course Lumpini champ is worth more than K1!! ffs there are more professional thai boxers in just Thailand then there are professional boxers in the whole world let alone kickboxers! K1 has no where near the level of depth compared to MT where the average champ retires with over 200 fights. C'mon!!!yes because of the rules, but so what? you re saying beeing a Lumpini champ is worth more than a K1 titel? or not compareable because of the rules?
First the diplomatic answer, you can't compare them, they are different sports. Now the not so diplomatic answer: Of course Lumpini champ is worth more than K1!! ffs there are more professional thai boxers in just Thailand then there are professional boxers in the whole world let alone kickboxers! K1 has no where near the level of depth compared to MT where the average champ retires with over 200 fights. C'mon!!!
How many muay thai fighters are in Thailand? Just going off of boxrec's somewhat spotty numbers there should be about 18,000 active professional boxers in the world. I'm not sure where someone would get accurate numbers on the number of muay thai fighters or other types of kickboxers though. I checked wbc muay thai but no luck. However, I get the feeling that if there were more than 18,000 active muay thai boxers in Thailand they would be able to fill out their middle weight, light heavyweight, and heavyweight divisions without foreign aid. If there are really that many contenders, some of them have to top 5' 10" just by virtue of the law of averages.
Plus, if your argument is that the K1 fighters lack the experience of the Muay Thai's there are a few fighters who've fought in K1 over the years with quite lengthy resumes. Buakaw Banchamek 302 fights, Andy Souwer 163 fights, Gago Drago 108 fights, Mike Zambidis 173 fights, John Wayne Parr 113 fights, Dzhabar Askerov 112 fights, Albert Kraus 94 fights, Sakmongkol Sithchuchok 254 fights, Ernesto Hoost 119 fights, Branko Cikatic 98 fights + 170 amateur fights, Changpuek Kiatsongrit 343 fights, Perry Ubeda 101 fights, Manson Gibson 119 fights, Rob Kaman 112 fights, Stan Longinidis 101 fights, Ramon Dekkers 221 fights.
Look at the fights on those records and you will see know one has more than 25 k1 fights (maybe Hoost) and like maybe 20 fc bouts. The majority of the fights are muaythai rules!
1.) Thai's generally aren't as big as Westerners, especially pro nak muay who are typically slight of frame and/or stature due to a number of reasons (undernourished as children before taking up MT, stunted growth due to severe training during adolescence, just in too good shape to be overweight during their fighting prime, etc. Even Songchai has cited the first two reasons regarding the dearth of Thai's at heavier weight classes).How many muay thai fighters are in Thailand? Just going off of boxrec's somewhat spotty numbers there should be about 18,000 active professional boxers in the world. I'm not sure where someone would get accurate numbers on the number of muay thai fighters or other types of kickboxers though. I checked wbc muay thai but no luck. However, I get the feeling that if there were more than 18,000 active muay thai boxers in Thailand they would be able to fill out their middle weight, light heavyweight, and heavyweight divisions without foreign aid. If there are really that many contenders, some of them have to top 5' 10" just by virtue of the law of averages.
Plus, if your argument is that the K1 fighters lack the experience of the Muay Thai's there are a few fighters who've fought in K1 over the years with quite lengthy resumes. Buakaw Banchamek 302 fights, Andy Souwer 163 fights, Gago Drago 108 fights, Mike Zambidis 173 fights, John Wayne Parr 113 fights, Dzhabar Askerov 112 fights, Albert Kraus 94 fights, Sakmongkol Sithchuchok 254 fights, Ernesto Hoost 119 fights, Branko Cikatic 98 fights + 170 amateur fights, Changpuek Kiatsongrit 343 fights, Perry Ubeda 101 fights, Manson Gibson 119 fights, Rob Kaman 112 fights, Stan Longinidis 101 fights, Ramon Dekkers 221 fights.
1.) Thai's generally aren't as big as Westerners, especially pro nak muay who are typically slight of frame and/or stature due to a number of reasons (undernourished as children before taking up MT, stunted growth due to severe training during adolescence, just in too good shape to be overweight during their fighting prime, etc. Even Songchai has cited the first two reasons regarding the dearth of Thai's at heavier weight classes).
2.) The majority of that list of fighters you wrote racked up those numbers via matches outside of K-1 (in fact, Buakaw, JWP, Sakmongol, Changpuek, and Dekkers racked up most of their matches in Thailand under full MT rules; also Souwer is and was actually Shootboxing's poster boy, not K-1's).
Your post just doesn't make sense, man! :wink:
Again, I am aware that the fighters gained most of their experience outside of K1. But they did compete in K1. The man's point was that only inferior fighters with hardly any fights fight in K1. I think I've proved that point false.
http://www.gloryworldseries.com/en/fighters/view/2616I'm still waiting for another Thai to come to Glory and make a splash like Buakaw did in K-1. Will it happen? Doubt it.
Buakaw might be top 25 for muay thai fighters at 70kg. But he's not even ranked in Thailand.
YupBuakaw was champion of Thailand, featherweight i believe.
Yup
And he was ranked #1 in Lumpinee behind his stablemate Namsaknoi.
So basically Namsaknoi kept him from being a Lumpinee Champ? I mean he wouldnt fight his stablemate for the belt, right?
Judging from his performance lately, I cant see any top level 70kg Thaiguys beat him.
He sure was a beast in his prime.