WMMA on TUF was the true FOTN

[UJustGotChaeld]

It reminded me a lot of the Sarah Kaufman vs. Leslie Smith fight at Invicta 5. The difference being maybe 5k saw that fight based on the ippv buys. While this happened in UFC and probably over a million saw it when the DVR numbers come in.

So it was one of the most important fights ever for WMMA.

Oh, and you realize how scary Pennington can be. She is just figuring it out and has sick power and a granite chin. I think you saw two future top 5 fighters tonight.

I can't believe how many flush knees she took. I really thought it was a matter of time till she dropped, and it looked like she flash dropped once and instantly was back.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

The one that won FOTN.

You may disagree with this, but I always prefer high level MMA over an inferior product, and whether fans want to admit it or not, the best WMMArtists will always be inferior to their male counterparts. Now before you jump down my throat, note that I said "the best." If every fight tonight looked like Beltran/Fabio or Thiago/Hamill, I would gladly give Duke and Pennington the award because it was both entertaining and the most skilled.

I can understand that. So, there was ONE male fight that can compete. My point still stands. I personally preferred the WMMA fight.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

I went overboard with the "lol no" comment. I retract it.

 

[Blayt7hh]

The one that won FOTN.

You may disagree with this, but I always prefer high level MMA over an inferior product, and whether fans want to admit it or not, the best WMMArtists will always be inferior to their male counterparts. Now before you jump down my throat, note that I said "the best." If every fight tonight looked like Beltran/Fabio or Thiago/Hamill, I would gladly give Duke and Pennington the award because it was both entertaining and the most skilled.

WMMA is a relatively undeveloped level of competition. It's newer than most division and it is just now under the spotlight. I would say the same about the weight classes under Featherweight that I know you love so much. Frankly, the divisions are not fleshed out like the rest of them are and you get sloppy fights

Of course they look sloppy because of how good the more developed division look. If you look at the women today compared to any of the men's divisions in 2003, I would say they look pretty similar.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

I went overboard with the "lol no" comment. I retract it.

Respect.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

WMMA is a relatively undeveloped level of competition. It's newer than most division and it is just now under the spotlight. I would say the same about the weight classes under Featherweight that I know you love so much. Frankly, the divisions are not fleshed out like the rest of them are and you get sloppy fights

Of course they look sloppy because of how good the more developed division look. If you look at the women today compared to any of the men's divisions in 2003, I would say they look pretty similar.

There is nothing sloppy about Demetrious Johnson or Renan Barao. Now compare them to the top fighters in WMMA. Women will simply never be as good as men. You can still enjoy it, but don't try to act like it's something it's not or ever will be.

 

[elzar]

Did you watch it? What fight was better?

shields maia was foty

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

WMMA is a relatively undeveloped level of competition. It's newer than most division and it is just now under the spotlight. I would say the same about the weight classes under Featherweight that I know you love so much. Frankly, the divisions are not fleshed out like the rest of them are and you get sloppy fights

Of course they look sloppy because of how good the more developed division look. If you look at the women today compared to any of the men's divisions in 2003, I would say they look pretty similar.

I think the lighterweight male divisions have more skill than WMMA. But mostly due to men competing longer, so many of the lighter men have been competing, just at higher weightclasses. WMMA is much newer, give it 10 years to flesh out, with it hopefully getting better each and every year.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Of course they look sloppy because of how good the more developed division look. If you look at the women today compared to any of the men's divisions in 2003, I would say they look pretty similar.

That was the year guys like Hughes, Nog, Fedor, Penn, etc were tearing shit up. None of these chicks are anywhere near their level, even the most elite WMMArtists. Meisha Tate is a worse version of Bryan Caraway and she's the top 2-3 girl at 135.

 

[SirDiddymus]

WMMA fights on tuf have been pretty darn good.

 

[TimeZone187]

Except for the fact that the fight happened months ago.

 

[karatefoo]

That was the year guys like Hughes, Nog, Fedor, Penn, etc were tearing shit up. None of these chicks are anywhere near their level, even the most elite WMMArtists. Meisha Tate is a worse version of Bryan Caraway and she's the top 2-3 girl at 135.

I think between Tate, Kaufman, Davis, and McMann that Kaufman would still trump Tate if they rematch. The other three would be tied.

 

[The_Renaissance]

That was the year guys like Hughes, Nog, Fedor, Penn, etc were tearing shit up. None of these chicks are anywhere near their level, even the most elite WMMArtists. Meisha Tate is a worse version of Bryan Caraway and she's the top 2-3 girl at 135.

Spot on. 100% agree with you.

 

[bagsoftea]

Great fight but invicta has better fights all the time.

 

[Poser Caust]

Did you watch it? What fight was better?

Don't both with this guy, if the girls arent under 18 he aint watching.

Miesha isn't top 2 or 3, idiots. Where is she ranked #2 ?

 

[Thirdpres]

Don't both with this guy, if the girls arent under 18 he aint watching.

Miesha isn't top 2 or 3, idiots. Where is she ranked #2 ?

Here are four different ranking systems for women.

It is a pretty long set of lists so I put then in spoiler tags.

Spoiler

UFC Women's Bantamweight Rankings

Champion : Ronda Rousey
1 Cat Zingano

2 Sarah Kaufman

3 Miesha Tate

4 Sara McMann

5 Liz Carmouche

6 Alexis Davis

7 Amanda Nunes

8 Germaine de Randamie

9 Julie Kedzie

10 Rosi Sexton


http://www.ufc.com/rankings

Unified Women's Pro MMA Rankings - October
Bantamweights (126-135 pounds)

1. “Rowdy” Ronda Rousey (7-0) - UFC Champion
2. Sarah Kaufman (16-2)
3. "Alpha" Cat Zingano (8-0)
4. Alexis “Alley Gator” Davis (14-5)
5. Sara McMann (7-0)
6. Miesha “Cupcake” Tate (13-4)
7. Liz “Girl-Rilla” Carmouche (9-3)
8. Shayna “Queen of Spades” Baszler (15-8)
9. Lauren Murphy (7-0)
10. Sarah “The Monster” D’Alelio (7-4)

Other Contenders:
Germaine de Randamie - Leslie Smith - Amanda Nunes - Rin Nakai - Holly Holm

http://www.mmarising.com/forums/showthread.php?373-Unified-Women-s-Pro-MMA-Rankings-October

Women’s Bantamweight (129-139.9 lbs) fighter ranks
Issue Date: 10/10/2013 (Official Release: #333)

1 Ronda Rousey (26) 7-0-0 116

Last Fight: 2/23/2013 [UFC] vs [#7 W135] Liz Carmouche
Next Fight: 12/28/2013 [UFC] vs [#8 W135] Miesha Tate

2 Alexis Davis (29) 14-5-0 79

Last Fight: 6/15/2013 [UFC] vs [#13 W135] Rosi Sexton
Next Fight: 11/06/2013 [UFC] vs [#7 W135] Liz Carmouche

3 Cat Zingano (31) 8-0-0 70

Last Fight: 4/13/2013 [UFC] vs [#8 W135] Miesha Tate


4 Sara McMann (33) 7-0-0 61

Last Fight: 4/27/2013 [UFC] vs [NR] Sheila Gaff

5 Sarah Kaufman (28) 16-2-0 60

Last Fight: 4/05/2013 [Invicta FC] vs [#3 W125] Leslie Smith
Next Fight: 10/19/2013 [UFC] vs [#2 W125] Jessica Eye

6 Rin Nakai (26) 15-0-1 47

Last Fight: 9/29/2013 [Pancrase] vs [#15 W135] Tara LaRosa

7 Liz Carmouche (29) 9-3-0 46

Last Fight: 7/27/2013 [UFC] vs [#19 W135] Jessica Andrade
Next Fight: 11/06/2013 [UFC] vs [#2 W135] Alexis Davis

8 Miesha Tate (27) 13-4-0 45

Last Fight: 4/13/2013 [UFC] vs [#3 W135] Cat Zingano
Next Fight: 12/28/2013 [UFC] vs [#1 W135] Ronda Rousey

9 Lauren Taylor (30) 7-0-0 42

Last Fight: 7/13/2013 [Invicta FC] vs [#14 W135] Sarah DAlelio

10 Shayna Baszler (33) 15-8-0 33

Last Fight: 1/05/2013 [Invicta FC] vs [#2 W135] Alexis Davis


11 Germaine de Randamie (29) 4-2-0 31

Last Fight: 7/27/2013 [UFC] vs [NR] Julie Kedzie

12 Amanda Nunes (25) 8-3-0 31

Last Fight: 8/03/2013 [UFC] vs [NR] Sheila Gaff

13 Rosi Sexton (36) 13-3-0 30

Last Fight: 6/15/2013 [UFC] vs [#2 W135] Alexis Davis
Next Fight: 10/26/2013 [UFC] vs [#19 W135] Jessica Andrade

14 Sarah DAlelio (32) 7-4-0 28

Last Fight: 7/13/2013 [Invicta FC] vs [#9 W135] Lauren Taylor

15 Tara LaRosa (35) 21-4-0 27

Last Fight: 9/29/2013 [Pancrase] vs [#6 W135] Rin Nakai

16 Holly Holm (31) 4-0-0 26

Last Fight: 7/19/2013 [Legacy Promotions] vs Unranked Opponent
Next Fight: 10/11/2013 [Legacy Promotions] vs [NR] Nikki Knudsen

17 Faith Van Duin (27) 4-0-0 25

Last Fight: 8/31/2013 [Storm MMA (Duin is a 145er and this fight was at 145.)] vs Unranked Opponent (Kate de Silva)

18 Bethe Correia (30) 6-0-0 23

Last Fight: 6/29/2013 [Jungle Fight] vs [NR] Erica Paes


19 Jessica Andrade (22) 9-3-0 23

Last Fight: 7/27/2013 [UFC] vs [#7 W135] Liz Carmouche
Next Fight: 10/26/2013 [UFC] vs [#13 W135] Rosi Sexton

20 Ana Maria 5-4-0 21

Last Fight: 7/07/2013 [Web Fight Combat] vs [NR] Maria Elisabete Tavares


http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/womens-bantamweight/


Women's MMA by Weight Class - Bantamweight Top 30+

Bantamweight - 126-135Ibs:

1 Ronda "Rowdy" Rousey (7-0-0) US 2/13 UFC
2 Sarah Kaufmann (16-2-0) CA 4/13 UFC/IFC
3 Alexis "Ally-Gator" Davis (14-5-0) CA (US) 6/13 UFC/IFC
4 Sara McMann (7-0-0) US 4/13 UFC
5 Cat "Alpha" Zingano (8-0-0) US 4/13 UFC
6 Lauren "All-In" Murphy (7-0-0) US 7/13 IFC
7 Liz "Girl-Rilla" Carmouche (9-3-0) US 7/13 UFC/IFC
8 Shayna "Queen of Spades" Baszler (15-8-0) US 1/13 IFC/TUF
9 Miesha "Cupcake" Tate (13-4-0) US 4/13 UFC
10 Sarah "The Monster" D’Alelio (7-4-0) US 7/13 IFC

11 Amanda "Lioness of the Rings" Nunes (8-3-0) BR (US) 8/13 UFC/IFC
12 Germaine de Randamie (4-2-0) NL (US) 7/13 UFC
13 Rosi "The Surgeon" Sexton (13-3-0) GB 6/13 UFC
14 Rin Nakai (15-0-1) JP 9/13 PAN
15 Julie "Fireball" Kedzie (16-12-0) US 7/13 UFC
H - Jessica "Evil" Eye (10-1-0) US 6/13 UFC (Last fought at 125)
H - Bethe "Pitbull" Correia (6-0-0) BR 6/13 UFC (Only one fight at 135, most recent.)
16 Jessica Andrade (9-3-0) BR 7/13 UFC
17 Shizuka Sugiyama (10-3-0) JP 7/13
18 Holly Holm (4-0-0) US 7/13 LFC
19 Miriam Nakamoto (2-0-0, 1NC) US 7/13 IFC
20 Milana Dudieva (8-2-0) RU 4/13

H - Peggy Morgan (2-0-0) US 3/13 TUF (Last fought at 145)
H - Roxanne Modafferi (15-10-0) US (JP) 3/12 TUF (Last fought at 125)
H - Julianna Pena (4-2-0) US 2/13 TUF (Last fought at 125)
H - Jessica Rakoczy (1-3-0, 1NC) CA 9/12 TUF (Last fought at 125)
21 Sheila "The German Tank " Gaff (10-6-1) DE 8/13
22 Valerie "Trouble" Letourneau (4-3-0) CA 4/12
23 Kaitlin Young (7-8-1) US 4/13 IFC
24 Raquel "Rocky" Pennington (3-3-0) US 1/13 IFC/TUF
25 Sarah "Cheesecake" Moras (3-1-0) CA 9/12 TUF
26 Jessamyn "The Gun" Duke (2–0–0, 1NC) US 4/13 IFC/TUF
27 Tara Larosa (21-4-0) US 9/13 IFC
28 Ana Maria