Wonderboys inability to win close decisions

Terpizzle said:
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I'm prettttty sure the guy he just cracked has a granite chin.
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Run into a fist blindly and you'll end up like that no matter who. <Varys01>
 
spacetime said:
How about Full contact champ against other strikers? When Machida faced high level striker like sam greco, he took them down
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Oh, stop it. Lyoto beat many good strikers in his career such as Ace, Shogun (controversial but still), Thiago Silva, Belfort, prime Sokoudjou, Mousasi..

Who are the strikers Thompson beat? Undersized Masvidal, green and dehydrated Whittaker, Cote (good win), Burrell (meh) and that's about it. The rest were wrestlers. Lost to the only great striker he fought (Till). Also got beat up badly by a MT guy (Brown).
Terpizzle said:
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I'm prettttty sure the guy he just cracked has a granite chin.
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Yeah and then didn't finished him, won a 29-28 boring decision. That fight sucked, as most of WB fights.
 
executionermma said:
Oh, stop it. Lyoto beat many good strikers in his career such as Ace, Shogun (controversial but still), Thiago Silva, Belfort, prime Sokoudjou, Mousasi..

Who are the strikers Thompson beat? Undersized Masvidal, green and dehydrated Whittaker, Cote (good win), Burrell (meh) and that's about it. The rest were wrestlers. Lost to the only great striker he fought (Till). Also got beat up badly by a MT guy (Brown).
Yeah and then didn't finished him, won a 29-28 boring decision. That fight sucked, as most of WB fights.
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Fff sa I am talking about his carrier as a world champion Kickboxer. You know when u face actual strikers, and not mma guys??
 
spacetime said:
Fff sa I am talking about his carrier as a world champion Kickboxer. You know when u face actual strikers, and not mma guys??
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So why the fuck did you bring up a MMA fight (Machida-Greco) to the debate?

And Thompson never fought a top striker, he's not a former world champion in kickboxing either. You're just another guy that is drunk with the Zuffa kool-aid.
 
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executionermma said:
So why the fuck did you bring up a MMA fight (Machida-Greco) to the debate?

And Thompson never fought a top striker, he's not a former world champion in kickboxing either. You're just another guy that is drunk with the Zuffa kool-aid.
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Because Greco is one of the few high level strikers he faced in MMA, and he took him down.
 
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spacetime said:
He is not in his prime. He's 35 for cryin out loud
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LOL Thompson was like 29 or 30 years old
spacetime said:
Because Greco is one of the few high level strikers he faced in MMA, and he took him down.
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Yeah Machida is a complete fighter ofc he took the guy with no submission defense down.
Greco is nothing special btw, he lost to most top guys he fought, personally i feel like the Mousasi win is much better, and i mentioned other good wins too. Some guys that Machida didn't took him down and beat them with ease on the feet. Your boy WB on the other hand struggled badly with Cote, lost to Till and Brown (on his athletic prime) and even Burrell gave him problems.
 
executionermma said:
Oh, stop it. Lyoto beat many good strikers in his career such as Ace, Shogun (controversial but still), Thiago Silva, Belfort, prime Sokoudjou, Mousasi..

Who are the strikers Thompson beat? Undersized Masvidal, green and dehydrated Whittaker, Cote (good win), Burrell (meh) and that's about it. The rest were wrestlers. Lost to the only great striker he fought (Till). Also got beat up badly by a MT guy (Brown).
Yeah and then didn't finished him, won a 29-28 boring decision. That fight sucked, as most of WB fights.
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He fought Rich in...2003, frail old Vitor in 2018? LMAO at prime Sokoudjou and Thiago Silva. Fucking Rory looks like GGG compared to those bums. So Shogun is his only good win vs a striker and he got KTFO in the rematch. It's easy to poke holes in anyones resume.
 
Some real concentrated hate for WB itt. I don't get it.
 
Nobody outside of point fighting likes point fighting, including the judges.
 
Shadowthrone said:
He fought Rich in...2003, frail old Vitor in 2018? LMAO at prime Sokoudjou and Thiago Silva. Fucking Rory looks like GGG compared to those bums. So Shogun is his only good win vs a striker and he got KTFO in the rematch. It's easy to poke holes in anyones resume.
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Rich had a striking background so how the fight being in 2003 makes Machida's win worse? Rich was 14-0 going to the fight, 4 years of MMA training, while Machida was fighting for like 8 or 9 months, had only 2 pro MMA fights. If anything, makes it even more impressive.
Prime Sokoudjou and Thiago Silva were bad motherfuckers and much more dangerous on the feet than any1 Thompson fought. Rory? LOL his hands are weak asf compared to Thiago's, without wrestling he would be lost against Daley and Douglas for example.
 
executionermma said:
No, he's not. Wonderboy will never be a champion. Machida is a former UFC champion and also a UFC Challenger in other weight class. Machida is a legend and will be missed by when he's gone. Wonderboy is a boring full of shit overrated fighter, had as many great moments as boring fights.
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It takes two to tango. Machida's fights with Henderson or Jackson weren't exactly fireworks. Sadly, some of the more exciting Machida fights were fights in which his opponent was able to clobber him; surely it isn't a shortcoming of Thompson's that nobody has been able to do that to him.
 
bigconan said:
No he's not....Machida was a world champion...unlike wonderboy
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  • 1999 I.S.K.A Georgia State Middleweight Amateur Champion
  • 2000 I.S.K.A Southeast Middleweight Amateur Champion
  • 2000 I.K.F South East Light Middleweight Amateur Champion
  • 2000 I.K.F National Amateur Tournament Middleweight Champion
  • 2000 P.K.C National Light Middleweight Amateur Champion
  • 2000 U.S.A.K.B.F North American Middleweight Amateur Champion
  • 2001 I.K.F National Amateur Tournament Light Heavyweight Champion
  • 2002 I.K.F National Light Heavyweight Amateur Champion
  • 2002 I.K.F North American Amateur Tournament Light Cruiserweight Champion
  • 2001 P.K.C National Light Heavyweight Amateur Champion
  • 2001 U.S.A.K.B.F Light Heavyweight Amateur World Champion
  • 2001 W.P.K.A Light Heavyweight Amateur World Champion
  • 2003 I.K.F Light Cruiserweight Amateur World Champion
  • 2003 I.A.K.S.A Cruiserweight World Champion
  • 2005 W.A.K.O Cruiserweight World Champion
 
The issue seems to be that his counterstriking, point based style only works with regards to judges scorecards when he's truly more advanced that the other guy in the octagon. When it gets reasonable close he can't tilt the decision in his favor through octagon control and dictating the pace of the fight while he's trying to outstrike him.
 
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