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  1. Phr3121

    Phr3121 Yellow Card Yellow Card Platinum Member

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    Yes! I was born in Brazil. Lived there till I was 12 when I moved to the U.S. Lived and worked in Brazil years later as an adult for 5 years. The country has gone to shit. It has become a culture of corruption. Brazil was a better country under military rule than it is now. I'm probably a minority in that view. Some countries (people) do not know how to handle Democracy. I hate the fact that Brazilians are such pacifists. Russia is going through something similar after 'Glasnost & Perestroika'. I'll debate anything 'Limbo Pete', and take either side.

    ...see, we talked about Confederate monuments after our Civil War debate (3 months ago) and look at what is happening.
     
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    Limbo Pete Super Samoderator Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I'm more specifically familiar with the history of Guatemala than I am Brazil... how would you feel about using that country for our debate prompt? Ideally, i'd like to debate the merits of American intervention in the country (not sure what the specific question will be). Can I put you down for that? We could look at Brazil too, if you want, but as an organizer and potential moderator I like to be as familiar as possible with our topics.
     
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    I'll have to study up on Guatemala, but yes you can put me down for it. I think we have a member that is from Guatemala. I'll try to remember the members that are from Central and South America.
     
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    @Limbo Pete

    . Rod1, Cuauhtemoc, JadeOwl, panamaican, and you have Arkain2K.
     
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    Limbo Pete Super Samoderator Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Thanks man. I think we can set up a pretty damn good debate here.
     
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    Any thoughts to a death penalty debate?
     
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    Fawlty radical centrist

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    Would be happy to set this up. There is enough division on this one that somebody should be willing to debate each side.
     
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    The formats are too long for me to participate in, but I'm sure there are plenty of takers and it's a topic with plenty to argue on both sides. Would be nice to get some new voices to try it out, too.
     
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    I like that. I am for the death penalty. The old traditional and cheap way. Hanging and electrocution. Evil doers (those who rape and kill children in particular) should not get away with lethal injection. But, than again, life in prison would be torture.

    @Higus, @Limbo Pete
     
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    Fawlty radical centrist

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    I can go either way on the death penalty philosophically, but oppose it mostly on the grounds of statistics- too many bad convictions. If I felt strongly enough I'd argue, but I'm okay with it if it's used in a very limited and careful way, where there is really zero ambiguity. Dahmer, certain public murders, etc. Never when the case is circumstantial, or when there's any chance the DNA story is not true.
     
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    Molesters are usually killed in prison the world over. "...where there is really zero ambiguity." Ahh, you need to tell that to the cops who are killing people with 90% ambiguity.
     
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    I'm not sure molesters are attacked as much as people think. That varies since it's something that can be allowed or punished depending on the leadership of the prison, I assume. You're preaching to the choir when it comes to cops wasting people in the street. Although I think that's another issue where perceptions and reality don't line up- in this case, thanks to the way the internet works. Cops are probably getting way more professional, and I haven't seen any data suggesting they're killing more people (though the data is still really incomplete).
     
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    You missed the thread about police shootings where I was talking to two guys who were cops. One in California. He said that they are authorized to shoot to kill if they perceive a threat. There is no need for a gun to be involved. My question was: 'Why carry mace, a taser, and a baton? He said depending on the circumstances, most cops would just shoot to kill. We had two men (black) here is Oklahoma who were killed last year and not armed. Amazing! You can be shot to death just for throwing a punch at a cop.
     
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    I'd argue against the death penalty, but I can't really commit to a debate in the current format; Way to busy during work these days and I'm not really active on the site on nights or weekends. Maybe some day the organizers can come up with a condensed format. Otherwise I'll just give my opinions in relevant threads.
     
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    Can you put a number on how many long, thoughtful posts you'd be willing to make on the subject over the course of a week or two? I think we could support a format with 5 posts per person.
     
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    5 posts over a week or 2 would be doable.
     
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    I'm still looking for someone to take up a debate on US foreign policy and intervention in Latin America, focusing specifically on Communism and the cold war. @Phr3121 is down to argue one way or the other, so what we need is someone to debate from a pro-intervention perspective.
     
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    Limbo Pete Super Samoderator Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    @TheStruggle
    I feel like a guy rockin a Pinochet av should be interested in this
     
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    Is this the full list of agreed debates as of now?

    1) Falsedawn vs Starman : "Institutional racism no longer exists in the United States."

    2) JDragon vs JudoThrowFiasco: "The Iran Nuclear Treaty should be dissolved and remade"

    3) m52nickerson vs Thursaz II: :Roe v Wade should be upheld
     
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    I've smashed fucking skulls on this debate for over 10 years.
     
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